Major Spoiler and I'm calling Joss out
POSTED BY: fireflygal
UPDATED: Friday, October 14, 2005 18:37
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I'ma have to agree with Firefly Gal here. I can honestly say that I enjoyed the film less because Wash died. Like many others, Book's death I can accept. I mean, he personally took down a spaceship before the end. He was a good character to sacrifice, and the whole movie suggested tantalizing possibilities about his past (IE was he an Operative?).
But Wash...
Wash's death served no purpose. It didn't make the movie more dramatic for me--I didn't believe he was dead until I saw his tombstone, and then I just felt betrayed. It didn't add a gritty realism to the story--one minute he was there, then he was impaled, then the scene ended. No special notice was even paid to it. It didn't add to the plot. Nothing that happened afterwards was even related to it (Zoe's "berseker" thing was kind of lame and only lasted like 5 seconds). It only left me feeling confused and let down. It made me downgrade my opinion of the film from great to mediocre.
Wash was the heart and soul of the crew. He was one of the things that made the show worth watching. He brought something to the show that no one else could, and Joss cut that off. Gratuitously, I might add.
I'm not a Buffy/Angel fan. My faith in Joss is based entirely on Firefly. And to see him casually throw away everyone's favorite character for no good reason seriously makes me doubt his abilities as a storyteller. Maybe Firefly was a fluke.
I had planned to go back to see it every week. Now I'm not sure that I'll go back at all. Maybe when it gets to the Dollar Theater.
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Originally posted by Tracy:
I had the chance of speaking with both Alan and Joss at the premiere party. Both of them assured me that everything was going to be fine and ok and that Wash would be back. Joss wasn't specific as to how, but he said he had "many theories" (as I told him I had a couple myself). I trust him.
I spoke to Ron Glass after the premiere at Universal City on the 22nd. After complimenting him on his performance, I mentioned that I was a bit disappointed that we didn't learn Book's story. He said, "Tell Joss."
He didn't say anything else but MY impression/feeling was that he was not pleased that his character was killed off.
That's not it at all - he had the same reply at Dragon Con when people suggested the chance of getting Book's backstory in comic book or novel form - if a novel, then made on CD and read by him. Ron thinks that we are VERY VOCAL and we're HEARD by TPTB when it comes to what we wanna see. I'd say wait and see what's next. For now, let's concentrate on trying to HAVE a next.
"Can I make a suggestion that doesn't involve violence? Or is this the wrong crowd for that?" (Wash)
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I am pro-death, it really needed to be there, and with Book off the ship I expected it, now Wash was a suprise but again, they needed a little traged, and to get Zoe to the same place Mal was...back in Serenity Valley, However I do disagree that more should have been killed, would've ruined all sequel hope to take to many, if Kaylee dies, then Simon may as well have, and with Simon dead, the reavers could've overrun River and Jayne, leaving Mal the only survivor, I just hope he doesn't try to re-place them, because no wise-cracking pilot is gonna replace Wash
"There are no heroes, just men like me."
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Its time joss grows the up - if he has talent he does not have to kill of characters left right and center for some cheap effect.
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*WAAAAAAAH-WAAAAAAAAAH*
oh quit yer belly-achin'.
how old are you?!
do you read? ever?
have you never ever in life seen a movie or play that didn't make you feel all goody goody touchy feely happy at the end?
ooooh....joss has some nerve having a STORY ARC in his writing.
damn! who does joss think he is for writing a story where things happen...like they do in REAL LIFE.
please.
i've started watching buffy and angel and it seems to me that joss is a big fan of 'shit happens'.
as far as i'm concerned, it's refreshing.
yeah, i gasped and actually said "son of a bitch!", but it was still a glorious experience.
do yourself a favour: read something. start with "romeo & juliet". or see "shakespere in love".
don't hate. appreciate.
"take me, sir. take me hard." -- zoe
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I don't watch movies to be dissapointed and depressed. I watch movies to have a good time. Sorry if that offends you.
Firefly was fun, and enjoyable even in its darker moments. Serenity wasn't. And killing a well-loved main character for -shock value- isn't the mark of a good writer.
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Your thread reminds me of that movie MISERY.
If you haven't seen it - watch it. And then compare your comments to those of Kathy Bates character.
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so then,
movie #2, everyone gets killed off, the universe implodes upon itself. But with some limited flashbacks so that we can see Wash and Book again.
movie #3, a prequel - cool!
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LOL "Grumpy old man" sez "If real life had anything semblance to R&J or anything Shakespere, I'd shit my pants long ago on account that real life ain't that smarmy. I'd also burned the book that's my life if it turned out to be artsy-fartsy, instead of the real-messy life that it is" Truth be told, why pay all that money to watch a TV series, buy a DVD set, watch the movie 18 billiion times and spend/waste all of that time if it's just like real life? I can just go and people watch at the local mall. Actually much more fun and cheaper.
Movie don't have to have a happy ending, I agree - I do hate all of these Hollywood soppy smoppy kiss-kiss endings - find anything about Terry Gilliam's struggle in getting Brazil to the theatre the way "he wanted it" for reference. In any case, I digress. It could be a reflection of some human condition, but it shouldn't just merely mimic it - that would be boring. It should disect it and have me experience it a different way, make me learn and realize something. Simply mimicking real life, killing off people just to make me feel something exactly the way I would feel it is sort of a cop-out, sort of cheap shot. Personally, I enjoy escapist type of entertainment that has absolutely nothing like real life, I like my heroes to be able to do the impossible, to deftly and skillfully suspend my disbelieve while at the same time keeping me guessing on what's coming next. Yeah, movies are pretty formulaic as you see more of them, nothing is that original anyways; so why not "surprise" you a bit by off'ing a couple of characters for cheap thrill.
Best of all, I like movies with hope. Hope that the human kind can actually do something about with all of this crap that represents these real life human condition. Hope that we can change and rid ourselves of dictators and murderers; and maybe all of these pettiness that we have to swim in everyday. Hope that we can strive and shape the world around us to be something better, something grander. No, not a happy ending, just something to look forward to instead of a cheap reminder of what miserable existence we toil in day-in and day-out, that 800 years from now we are just as petty, as people die for the same crappy cheap reasons, that nothing will ever change and that none of this miserable existence makes any difference.
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Originally posted by Tallgrrl:
do yourself a favour: read something. start with "romeo & juliet". or see "shakespere in love".
don't hate. appreciate.
"take me, sir. take me hard." -- zoe
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i was soo socked when wash and book died! Why? is also my question. and what the heck is books "sercret"? now im completely sad. disappointed:
"some people juggle geese."
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