WB Renews ANGEL!! Spike Aboard!! Cordy Not!!
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UPDATED: Monday, May 26, 2003 20:21
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
I know that thos doesnt meet the whole Angel or Buffy thing, but just once i want to see an angel. Maybe they had a few and I missed them, but I'd like to see an angel show up, with all of these demons runing around there must be an angel or two doing something. And there are so many demon spawn, but you never get to see the angel spawn (Nephalim.)
They've never had angels in the Christian sense on the show. In fact, considering Joss Whedon is a atheist, I seriously doubt there will ever be any. One of the constant themes of the Buffyverse is its consistant refusal to confirm or deny the superiority of any religion over another. Despite the poliferation of religious icons in the Buffy mythos (ie, vampires repelled by crosses, holy water, and the Bible), the existance of a Judeo-Christian God is repeatidly placed in the "maybe" column. (For example, see Buffy's conversation with Holden Webster in "Conversations With Dead People") Joss Whedon has repeatidly dogged this issue:
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"Aggg! Stupid crosses! They were in the stories, okay, and we hadda use 'em and now I'm always worried, how do I explain crosses working on all vampires, maybe no one will notice and I can just NOT MENTION IT!!! ... Actually, during my little rant I came up with an answer. It isn't the person who reviles the symbol of the Christian God, it's the demon that possesses them. Whew! It's cool. We're cool"
-- Joss Whedon, Bronze posting, 18/04/2000
Considering the amount of humor poked in the direction of Christianity and other religions, I seriously doubt that there will ever be an episode where Buffy or Angel find Jesus.
Perhaps they haven't checked their sock drawer.
P.S. For anyone interested in further discussions on this topic, I recommend the book Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Philosophy, an excelent and accesible collection of essays.
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CONSERVATIVE YOUNG WOMAN: Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior?
BUFFY: Well you know I meant to, and then I was busy all day...
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SPIKE IS DEAD! How can he be on Angel?
James Marsters may be in the season as the First (who is defeated, but not dead), or just in flash backs.
*sigh*
-Zeke
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Actually, you know what I was thinking. (this isn't meant to be a spoiler b/c I don't know if it will happen, its just my idea)
The prophecy said the father will kill the son, even though it wasn't suppose to happen, it did, didn't it? I didn't see the last ep, but didn't Angel sort of kill Conner in a way? And since things were written as masculin forms it could mean the father will kill the child, like it's already been stated on the site and Conner killed Jasmine. so if prophecies are coming true, what about "the vampire with a soul will become human"? It didn't say it was the same vampire as the one with a son. Could Spike possibly come back as human????
"Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?" -Wash
"I told him to sit down," -Simon
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My guess is that Spike is now among the PTB.
Or maybe Marsters will play an entirely new character.
I'm sure Angel will be fun next year regardless! 
mattro
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I'm actually hoping that in the end Angel will get with Buffy by becoming Human. Call me a romantic, but that would be perfect.
The best Angel ep in my opinion is the one where he kills the demon with the healing blood, and becomes human when his blood intermingles with that of the demon. Very good, very prophetic, and totally awesome. The scene where he is eating everything under the sun is hilarious.
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LivingImpaired, I don't think that there would have to be any religious conformation to have an angel. If you can have hell without confirming a religion than I don’t see why not angels. Although angels are generally confined to Judeo-Christian-Muslim faiths certainly winged workers from higher good powers exist in many religions Nike, Eros, Nyx, Thriae, are just a few of the bigger ones from Greek mythology. There are more from all kinds of others.
When I say angel I just mean a being that is as powerful as a demon of equally pure blood (remember that angel and Buffy never face a pure demon nor a fully functioning god) and is for the most part good. Wings are of course a nice touch.
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I didn't read this whole discussion - but I believe that the Buffyverse IS a polytheistic world with Christianity as its elusive but most powerful truth.
Crosses and Holy water kill vampires. Only christian icons work - even willow (A jew) wards off vampires with a cross.
Remember in the second season when Spike and the rest of the vampires were all bragging about being at the crucifiction?
There are other gods - but they are fickle and can help or not, and the dark magics they allow you to have can hurt or kill you.
The only purely good stuff here is Christian.
I don't think this is a statement of anything other than most western Vampire myths come from a Christian tradition and this is trying to catch that feel. But I still think it's true.
-Zeke
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Actually there are all kinds of vampire myths from all over the world, but the western one is the most common, and the one that they chose to use.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Actually there are all kinds of vampire myths from all over the world, but the western one is the most common, and the one that they chose to use.
These myths are the ones that the western world is most familiar with, but I wouldn't assume that they are the most common.
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Originally posted by Zeke023:
I didn't read this whole discussion - but I believe that the Buffyverse IS a polytheistic world with Christianity as its elusive but most powerful truth.
Crosses and Holy water kill vampires. Only christian icons work - even willow (A jew) wards off vampires with a cross.
Remember in the second season when Spike and the rest of the vampires were all bragging about being at the crucifiction?
There are other gods - but they are fickle and can help or not, and the dark magics they allow you to have can hurt or kill you.
The only purely good stuff here is Christian.
I don't think this is a statement of anything other than most western Vampire myths come from a Christian tradition and this is trying to catch that feel. But I still think it's true.
-Zeke
Actually, I strongly disagree. In the Buffyverse Christianity is just one of many traditions. It isn't even the strongest one (i.e., Osiris who can bring back the dead is an ancient Egyptian!).
And Christianity is not 'the only purely good stuff'. I mean what the heck was Caleb if not a Christian minister gone evil!
My mother taught me to respect religion, but to be wary of people who use piety as a license to run other people's lives.
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Well, I am of the opinion that anyone who believes that Buffy or Angel promotes Christianity as the One True Faith, obviously hasn't seen many episodes, or obviously wasn't paying attention. Although we know that crosses repel vampires, how do we know that stars or David do not? Or ankhs? Or the Tora? Or statues of Buddha? My point being, that while Christian symbols repel vampires, we have no reason to believe that other symbols of faith would not have the same effect. After all, in many common vampire tales, it is not the symbol, but the faith behind it that repulses the monster.
The Buffyverse is a world where Evil isn't some abstract concept, but a tangible one. Demons, and vampires, and lawyers are solid forces of evil that must be fought. However, Good is consistantly intangible. Slayers cannot be said to represent the divine protector, as they are creations of men, and are moraly only human. (coughFaithcough) The Powers That Be clearly do not represent God, as there are more than one of them, and they also are shown to be occasionally corrupt. (coughJasminecough) So while Evil and Good both exist in the Buffyverse, Evil is the only one that presents itself in a tangable form.
If you think about it, this is not so strange an idea. Turn on the evening news, and you'll see just how f---ed up our world is. Evil, in a more general sense, is very real. However, how many times have you walked down the street, and a nearby bush spontaneously combusts and talks to you? The whole point of the Christian God is that he will not prove his own existance, because proof denys faith, and with out faith he is nothing. (for more on this topic, see the Proof that God Does Not Exist, in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.) God is by nature intangible.
In this way, yet again, the Buffyverse serves as an excellent mirror into our own lifes.
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No, it feels okay. Strong, and I feel like I'm connected to a powerful all-consuming evil that's gonna suck the world into fiery oblivion. What about you?
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