Conceal-Carry Passes Handgun Bill in Minnesota
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CaesarI, I think we are all very appreciative of your vast knowledge, but I bet most people were hoping you'd take Moore's movie with a grain of salt. (you didn't) Of course, you are correct, Moore's points weren't totally accurate, he was trying to make a point. When the pilgrims showed up on the beach and shot the indians, Moore wasn't trying to say that's how it happened. He was trying to portray the long period of time that the pilgrims and native americans spent with each other in a short segment. Brevity is the key, and he couldn't use it and tell the complete story you may want him to. He was trying to make a point, not tell the whole history of the U.S. His portrayal of the shooting of the indians was meant to say..."this is the gist of the americans treatment to the native americans." I suspect that the same method was used throughout the cartoon to convey a quick meaning without hearing a long lecture.
I'd love to add my view on the gun thing if you all aren't done yet... I love guns. They are fun to shoot. I think everyone (within age limits) who wants a gun should be able to buy one. I also think that guns kill people. Of course, some of you are thinking, "no, no, people kill people, not guns" Well that's true to a point, but people often use guns to kill people. And in America, land of the exceptionally free, more people are killed with guns than all other countries in the world combined. That doesn't mean americans have more guns, neccessarily. (americans do, by the way, Switzerland is no where close.) It just means we are more likely to act violently with those guns. Why? Some here have suggested that more guns equates to more gun violence. While that has not been proven, I subscribe to that notion. I have no proof. How could I? What I do have, however, is infallible logic. See if you can beat this...
Only a gun can cause death by gunshot.
If you don't have a gun, you can't kill anybody by gunshot.
That's it. If we can't see that, we are all blind.
I am gonna go a little further, but my argument will no longer be completely sound if you apply these thoughts to the others I just mentioned.
We can likely assume that not everyone who owns a gun is going to use it to kill someone.
We can also likely assume that no one person or one specific group is causing all the gunshot deaths.
So it seems very likely that gunshot deaths are caused by the entire gun-carrying population, in general. Everybody happy so far?
Now this is the part that many of you are going to disagree with, but that's ok with me.
Taking all into account, if there are more guns in a certain area, that would likely lead to more deaths by gunshot in that gun-saturated area. Having no guns in an area would lead to no deaths by gunshot in that area. Columbine is a good example. (lets leave out people who bring in outside guns shall we?)
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Oooooooooooooooooh Succatash, I'm sorry, you're too open-minded to be a proper elitist asshole. Back of the room, you fail, hang your head in shame. Don't come back 'round 'till you can type in all caps with full conviction "I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG!"
Even better, type it in l337 if you really want to get the act over.
Caesari- Uhm. Hell. That clears something up. Namely why my 'Flat Earth Geographical Squares' never took off in the supermarkets. I thought the appeal of these... these 'globes' was purely in the appeal of spinning them around to pass the time. If this Columbus villain is not the one who poisoned the general consciousness with this 'round world' concept, who, oh pray, did?
(Above is purely a rhetorical question. Excellent and educational work there, friend.)
Maniac, you flat lost me. Gone. I'm hanging out here in LEO, and you're off to the stars. I mean, technically all forms of death result from cessation of brain function.
So if none of us have brains, well, nobody will ever die from gunshot wounds either. Now as far as I can see, both concepts are about equally relevant to the state of affairs in the world. There was this magical time when no guns existed and nobody ever died from gunshot wounds. That was called all of history prior to the invention of matchlock rifles.
Strangely enough, people found plenty of other ways to kill each other. Knives, arrows, javelins, and would you believe they even had occasion to use rocks, both large and small? Greek Fire, though, now that's how I wanna go.
On the subject of Mr. Michael Moore, the incredible human cockroach.
I'm sick of postmodern nihilism. I'm sick of this mea culpa "The whole world is screwed up, life is pointless, and everbody out there is just so STUPID!" viewpoint. I resent the holy hell out of this narrowminded batch of twits who spend their time circle-jerking themselves into ecstatics over how cool and enlightened they are in comparison to the 'common man', especially 'common man' in flyover country, those barely sentient creatures who reside between the coasts and spend their weekends at the monster truck shows.
What really offends me to the core is that the most common and blatant purveyors of this bigoted blather, the ones who can casually drop terms like 'white trash' with vindictive relish, claim for themselves the mantle of being liberals.
By god, I'm a friggin' liberal, thank you kindly. I don't care what church you go to, I don't particularly care what sort of recreational chemicals you choose to fry your brains on, I could care less if you like men, women, or hamsters. Don't do it in my backyard without my consent, and damn well stop that swing of your arm short of my nose, and while I may not like you or respect you, I'll let you go your way through life unmolested.
Top it all off, I think we have come a hell of a long way in a damn short time. It's just been barely the blink of a historical eyebrow to come from an era of commonly accepted chattel slavery, virtual subjugation of women, total inability to redress our grievances against the ruling powers without resorting to the guillotine and any assorted varieties of man's inhumanity to man. My father had a very small piece of the Civil Rights movement in a very localized fashion, and all I can say about it is "Damn, too bad I wasn't in on that show."
I look around me and I see people, with all the flaws they carry with them, bodies and instincts still finely tuned to hunt bison, sleep in caves and root for berries and grubs. I see them transcending that, building, creating, protecting, giving themselves over to great works, thoughts and ideals. I see things I like. I see things I don't like. I see myself living in a world where I can disagree with my neighbor without having to club him senseless.
Then I see these sneering little Moores, Springers, and any number of journalists waxing fat on tragedy, fattening themselves like so many ticks on human suffering so they can chuckle and say "See? We're stil
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Diagnosis confirmed. Subject is only one prozac prescription away from being a well-adjusted citizen.
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Archer, it is clear I'm not the only asshole here.
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Originally posted by Archer:
Caesari- Uhm. Hell. That clears something up. Namely why my 'Flat Earth Geographical Squares' never took off in the supermarkets. I thought the appeal of these... these 'globes' was purely in the appeal of spinning them around to pass the time. If this Columbus villain is not the one who poisoned the general consciousness with this 'round world' concept, who, oh pray, did?
(Above is purely a rhetorical question. Excellent and educational work there, friend.)
Ask a rhetorical question, get a rhetorical answer. Eratosthenes proved the Earth was round using math. What's more, he also accurately measured the size of the planet, if you factor in the margin of error of his tools.
http://www.jimloy.com/astro/columbus.htm
http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/courses/astro201/eratosthenes.htm
A little more background on the experiment.
http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/observatory/eratosthenes/
And Caesari, let's not forget that the founding father's rational fears against a standing army, based on the fact that they had redcoats forcibly garrisoning the colonies not only resulted in the 2nd ammendment, but also the 3rd anf 4th.
(And shame on all of you if you don't know what those ammendments are!)
http://www.archives.gov/exhibit_hall/charters_of_freedom/bill_of_right
s/amendments_1-10.html
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
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Succatash- But... I was trying to compliment... ah... well, okay. Works for me.
I get that a lot. I get a lot of packages in the mail that tick, too. C'est la vie.
Hardware- I knew it. Name a problem of global proportions, somewhere down at the deep, dark heart of it the Greeks are to blame.
I'm so glad the Assyrians or whoever took care of them for us. But geez, it's taken us like five thousand years to even begin to address all the havoc they created. This democracy mess, making giant wooden horses into pop culture items that every hip and with it person has to have in the backyard, and pouring an innocent cup of hemlock down some over-talkative geezer's throat, man...
The fifty years or so that they ran the world after conquering China were just hell.
I do vow to look up those links and further my education on those matters when I get back to the house this evening.
Except for the Bill of Rights, because hey... 4th is search and seizure, and the third is one of my favorites- if you roast a redcoat, you are constitutionally required to QUARTER him and share him with your neighbors. While I used to resent the socalist implications of it, nowadays I appreciate the sense of community spirit it engenders.
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Offending Okies, vegetables, and the entire nation of Greece all in the space of less than a week. I must be slowing down in my old age.
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"The fifty years or so that they ran the world after conquering China were just hell."
Ahh, I remember that like it was yesterday. I wish I could share my insanity with you all, so you could see it as clearly as I do.
Oh, by the way, Whoever it was that posted that you only die from brain death - wow! You are almost as crazy as I am! What a great tangent! I'll have to work hard to make less sense than you do.
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I couldn't stand it. I had to look 'em up before leaving.
Fascinating stuff. I'd heard the name and the basics of the story but never looked up the particulars.
Now that I know the particulars of Eratosthenes calculations, how will the ladies ever resist my charms?
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Mortal fool! Your naive honesty has given me the means to take over the world!
Forgive my ebulliance, y'all. I had a good day yesterday. Still flyin', as it were.
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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
"The fifty years or so that they ran the world after conquering China were just hell."
Ahh, I remember that like it was yesterday. I wish I could share my insanity with you all, so you could see it as clearly as I do.
Oh, by the way, Whoever it was that posted that you only die from brain death - wow! You are almost as crazy as I am! What a great tangent! I'll have to work hard to make less sense than you do.
That would be me. Keep working.
Unless you're happy with being number 2.
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I believe my status as top crazy-man has just been called into question.
I respond to that with... avocado, avocado, avocado, avocado.
Say it real fast with a group of people. From a short distance away it sounds like a real conversation.
top that!
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