Global warming- past point of no return
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, August 31, 2008 19:16
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Auraptor- Your idea that solar flares cause global warming is an interesting idea, but you provided no evidence to back it up. You cited a Mars study that shows six years (Wow, six years!) of polar ice cap melting of unknown historical significance and unknown connection to solar flares. You cited one study showing the statistical similarity between solar flare variability and earth weather/climate variability. And from there, you leapt to the idea that solar flares cause global warming. So, I'm going to ask you- again- for some basic evidence that supports your theory
Please find data on Mars polar caps that go back maybe a couple dozen years (enough to cover two 11-year solar flare cycles).
Please find the correlating data on solar flare maxima and minima.
Please find the correlating data to Earth polar cap melting.
If you REALLY want to get fancy, please find correlative data to orbital wobbles to rule that out as a factor.
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I mean, for someone who demands "a couple hundred years" of statistics on Earth's climate to support a hypothesis, this really isn't too much to ask, is it? This question bears repeating...
IS IT?
IS IT???
I will interpret lack of supporting evidence/ no answer to mean that you think it IS too much to ask for supporting data. And that would lead me to conclude that you have a "belief" that you refuse to hold up to scientific examination. And THAT pretty much casts doubt on ALL of you ideas about global warming and climatic change. SO, w/o getting all tetchy and diverting the discussion from the paltry data supporting your notion, just be a good fellow and go find that data- OK? Thanks.
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Sig - I have no theory on solar flares. I merely point out what others have observed. I'm not a scientist, nor am I pretending to be one on the internet. (are you?) I've stated my opinion, and given out what info I've seen which forms the basis for my opinion. Sorry you don't like it, but I'm under no obligation what so ever to submit anything to you. You want to claim victory because I'm not gonna play dueling documentry evidence? Have at it, you won. But global warming is still a myth. Fin.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Yes, actually, I am a scientist (chemist). As far as your opinion is concerned, it remains just an opinion w/o supporting evidence. So feel free to continue believing what you want- I think at this point we all pretty much know what it's worth.
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So feel free to continue believing what you want
Oh thank you! Thank you massah Sig! thank you!!
Free at last, FREE at last!! God almighty...FREE AT LAST!!!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
global warming is still a myth.
Uhuh. What else do you think is a myth AURaptor?
George Bush?
Saddam Hussain?
Al Qaeda?
Hitler?
The Holocaust?
Anything that doesn't make rich people money (you know Morallity, ethics etc)?
As a sweeping statement backed only by opinion thats quite possibly one of the best I've seen on these boards.
There is such a thing as global warming, it does exist. The planet IS getting warmer. Deal with it.
The issue is the cause, and whatever that happens to be, pumping tons of crap into the atmosphere that prevents solar/heat radiation from escaping isn't exactly going to help a great deal, is it.
And more over, the enviromental effects of the pollution we pump out is far wider than global warming, cases of asthema are on the rise, drinking water is contaminated, these are facts.
Zen Buddhist to the Hotdog Vendor:
"Make me one with everything."
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Uhuh. What else do you think is a myth AURaptor?
Loch Ness Monster
Big Foot
Alien encounters ( the outter space kind, not illegal ones
)Chupacabra
Noah's Ark
...... Just to name a few.
Over the roughly 4.6 billion yrs this planet has been around, the global climate has cooled and heated up again more than a few times. And amazingly, long before mankind was even around. Eventually, it'll heat up one last time as our sun heaves its last gasp and bakes this planet to a cinder. I trust we won't be around for that day. Any of us.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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So, just out of curiosity Auraptor, do you disbelieve that carbon dioxide and methane are greenhouse gases? (ie. let visible light through but absorb infrared radation?) Do you also disbelieve that soot particles efficiently absorb light and convert it to heat? Do you also disbelieve that albedo has any effect on global energy balance?
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But we are in agreement, the planet is warming up, therefore global warming is a reality .
I happen to agree, believe it or not. The planets average temperature is actually higher than the temperature of the planet now, if you catch my meaning.
But, we are pumping stuff into the atmosphere that is speeding up this change. And speed is a factor. A gradual change means animals, people, vegitation, and the enviroment can adapt. A sudden change (relativly speaking), means that the equilibrim of the enviroment may suddenly shift, which means bizarre weather patterns, extinction of species, plant and animal, and good bye coastal cities...
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AUraptor
Quote:We've been over this before as well. The large swings in earth's past climate had a cause which is not in effect today. I know what that cause was, and I challenged you to name it. You did not. So here is that challenge again - what was the cause for Earth's massive climate shifts in the past? (Hint - it has to do with orbit.)
global climate has cooled and heated up again more than a few times
PS I am an atmospheric chemist. And you?
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Originally posted by rue:
AUraptorQuote:We've been over this before as well. The large swings in earth's past climate had a cause which is not in effect today. I know what that cause was, and I challenged you to name it. You did not. So here is that challenge again - what was the cause for Earth's massive climate shifts in the past? (Hint - it has to do with orbit.)
global climate has cooled and heated up again more than a few times
PS I am an atmospheric chemist. And you?
Please don't think they give a shit.
Already said I wasn't a scientist, so I guess you win. I'm wrong, you're right. Of course, it was folks like you who mistakenly gave us visions of doom and gloom concerning the enviromental catastrophy resulting from the 700 oil well fires back during the Gulf War. My whole point is that we DON'T know, not with any great amount of certainty, as to what we're doing is really affecting the Earth or not.
p.s. I don't know of any ONE cause for the drastic changes in the Earths climate. You'd have to be less vague as to what time period you're speaking. The shifting of the continents over millions of years undoubtably altered the climate from say..the Jurassic to the Cretaceous. But as for your question, please..enlighten us all.
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