Global warming- past point of no return
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It would take about several hundered years of statistical analysis.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Sad, but interesting.
I think it elucidates the question 'is it soot or greenhouse gases'? Obviously it must be gases. When the ice melts the soot disperses and sea ice forms as a fresh clean surface all over again. Ergo, no soot build-up and no soot effect.
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Quote:Failing that, maybe five Category 4 hurricanes in a row, the complete disappearance of glaciers, or the disappearance of the Gulf Coast, parts of Florida, and the barrier islands? Some people can't see the forest for the trees (or the facts for the statistics)
It would take about several hundered years of statistical analysis.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Failing that, maybe five Category 4 hurricanes in a row, the complete disappearance of glaciers, or the disappearance of the Gulf Coast, parts of Florida, and the barrier islands? Some people can't see the forest for the trees (or the facts for the statistics)
It would take about several hundered years of statistical analysis.
Please don't think they give a shit.
Yes, because I don't agree w/ the chicken littles of the world, I must not 'give a shit'. Fact of the matter is more likely that increased solar flares, and not anything humans have ever done, has more to do w/ the sky falling.... Or it could just be the natural order of things, and there's not a damn thing any of us could do about it, even if we wanted.
- A recent study by researchers at Duke University and the Army Research Office has found new evidence of a link between solar flare activity and the earth's temperature. The work is another contribution to the ongoing debate over global warming and its causes. A strong link between solar flares and our climate, if it exists, could override the influence humans have on the temperature of our environment. One of the challenges of determining the connection between solar flare activity and the atmosphere stems from the fact that the motion of the air that blankets our planet is turbulent and complex. A sudden burst of solar activity would, in effect, be smeared out by moving air and its interaction with the earth's surface. Any temperature increase caused by a given period of solar flare activity would be difficult to determine, at best. Rather than focus on such challenging one-to-one correlations, the new study compares the form of the statistical fluctuations in solar flare activity with the form of the statistical fluctuations of the earth's temperature. .....the research suggests that for the large part variations in global temperatures are beyond our control and are instead at the mercy of the sun's activity. (Nicola Scafetta and Bruce J. West, Physical Review Letters, 20 June 2003)
Number 642 #2, June 19, 2003 by Phil Schewe, James Riordon, and Ben Stein http://www.aip.org/pnu/2003/split/642-2.html
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Here's a link to an article that came out today.
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20050920a.html
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And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress.
'three Mars summers' equals about 6 Earth years.
But it's still Bush's fault.
Fivver
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Originally posted by fivver:
Here's a link to an article that came out today.
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20050920a.html
And a clip from that article:Quote:
And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress.
'three Mars summers' equals about 6 Earth years.
But it's still Bush's fault.
Fivver
Haliburton must be involved, too... somehow. You can bank on that.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Wow. Six years of comparison between Earth and Mars. And you're willing to run with that? I must say, I'm impressed. Do us all a favor: See if you can find a comparison that goes back a few thousand years. Or even a few hundred. (The ice caps of Mars have been studied for over a hundred years by telescope, so the Mars data should be easy to find.) Just so you know where I'm going with this: If you can find a correlation between Earth and Mars polar caps that extends over a hundred years or so, then maybe you've got something there.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Wow. Six years of comparison between Earth and Mars. And you're willing to run with that? I must say, I'm impressed. Do us all a favor: See if you can find a comparison that goes back a few thousand years. Or even a few hundred. (The ice caps of Mars have been studied for over a hundred years by telescope, so the Mars data should be easy to find.) Just so you know where I'm going with this: If you can find a correlation between Earth and Mars polar caps that extends over a hundred years or so, then maybe you've got something there.
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Read the article. It's not a observatin of Mars via a telescope, but from the Mars Global Surveyor.
And yes, I'm willing to run w/ that too, when you stop to consider the facts. There are no internal gas combustion engines on Mars. No SUVs. No aerosol spray cans, no factories, oil refineries, no power plants, ...and still the polar caps are receeding. Mars if further away from the Sun than Earth, and still feels the effects of solar flares.
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Auraptor- Did you read the abstract or the paper on solar flares and climate change? They make the connection on the basis that solar flare variations look like climate and weather variation. There is no direct correlation between solar flares and global temperature... not even over the reasonably predictable 11-year solar cycle. "Because" weather changes with the same frequency/intensity that solar flares change, "therefore" the two are directly connected? I dunno... since Levy-walk stats describe a number of unconnected phenomenon, wouldn't the similarity in stats (w/o correlation) simply be a product of describing the same thing? (Global energy dynamics in fluid systems?)
Please don't think they give a shit.
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Quote:Yes, but so what? It's still only eight years of data. In fact, depending on the Mars Global Surveyor actually makes the study LESS valuable because you artifically eliminate years and years worth of valid data. It would be like limiting our study of earth's climate to 1960 (when the first polar orbiting statellies went up.)
Read the article. It's not a observation of Mars via a telescope, but from the Mars Global Surveyor.
Please don't think they give a shit.
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