Matrix Reloaded - Surprise!

POSTED BY: merlindrea
UPDATED: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 22:57
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MERLINDREA

Friday, May 16, 2003 6:31 PM

Hi,

yesterday night I was one of the lucky to get tickets and see the new Matrix movie. I don't want to spoil it for you, so just 3 notes:

- Its awesome! I was half afraid they showed all the good stuff in the trailer already, but there is much more! (By the way: for the highway scene they built a 2 mile highway just for the movie. Well, after seeing it, I understand it, there was no way they could do it on a real highway!)

- Stay put after the movie is over and you will see a trailer for Matrix Revolutions coming out in November (the credits are the longest I've ever seen, so be patient)

- And finally: big surprise! Guess who's familiar Firefly face smiled at me from the big screen???

By the way: I'd love to discuss the movie, but I don't want to spoil it - if anybody else has seen it already, we could start a threat with spoiler warning.

Merl

KYOBONITSUKI

Friday, May 16, 2003 6:37 PM

did we see the same movie?

matrix 2 was not good. i mean it wasn't clint eastwood's pink cadillac - but man - how disappointing.

first third was really bad - the last third made up for it somewhat.

i really wasn't enjoying it until monica bellucci came on screen.

the effects were like hitler's new berlin - copies of stuff we've already seen done bigger - but without the punch or beauty of the originals.

i was not impressed.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

MERLINDREA

Friday, May 16, 2003 8:07 PM

I am sorry you did not like it. Did you enjoy Matrix 1?

I guess it depends with how much expectations one goes to see the movie. I was for instance very disappointed by the second LOTR movie.

So I tried to expect not too much and just go and see. Also, the first Matrix movie came to me as a complete surprise, so it is a bit unfair to compare my feelings then and now. But I do believe they lived up to my expectations. I am also impressed they still took time for slower scenes (like that love scene, that was wonderfully made), and not only doing stunts and fight stuff.

I especially like the mind twist they let us off with. What is real now?

Merl

KYOBONITSUKI

Friday, May 16, 2003 8:20 PM

SPOILER ALERT

well - i watch ALOT of movies. and i watch ALOT of foreign movies - and for me reloaded was like kentucky fried movie. it was just a collection of elements from other films brought together - if was full of sound and fury signifing nothing.

i like matrix 1 okay - i don't own the dvd. i saw it - it ended at the perfect time - because the narrative would have lost me had it gone any longer.

i don't expect high art from hollywood - that's why i watch foreign film. but i do enjoy the entertainment of hollywood flicks. but for any film - what is needed is a maintaining of the narrative. reloaded streched and tore the narrative as several points - most of thenm in the beginning third of the film.

the rave scene was crap i thought. it was a base appeal to young movie gowers that was entirely forced on the production and completely against the expectations of the narrative - a rave in the matrix would have been less abusive - but one in zion.... no.

the frenchman's demonstration of causality was forced at best - it was a scene that obviously came to life as a "wouldn't it be cool to have thighs of code seperating to reveal a glowing vagina" and it was poorly tied into the narrative.

as for the end mindscrew - i saw that already in the first matrix. while the end third of the film was the strongest i thought - this part really bugged me - a sequel is not supposed to rehash the same old thing - especially in a trilogy - it is supposed to advance the story. reloaded did not do that. all that changed from beginning to end was that now we know that the oracle is a program that maybe we seem to not be able to trust.

we knew that already.

it's like being driven around the block - parts of the ride are exciting - but you just end up where you began.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

MERLINDREA

Friday, May 16, 2003 9:35 PM

Actually, regarding the mind twist, I meant something else:

Select to view spoiler:

As Neo was able to stop the ship-smashing machines, that means that Zion and the 'real world' is also just another matrix and NOT real. That would also explain why Agent Smith could corrupt this one guy and use him to go back into the real world. Its like dreaming to wake up. And this creates a whole new set of questions: is anything we have seen so far real? The humans breeding facility, Zion, the original rescue of Neo's body? Or is it just another matrix to collect the rebellious spirits?

Merl

KYOBONITSUKI

Saturday, May 17, 2003 3:30 AM

not really - because we don't really know if he stopped the machine or if the ship stopped it with an em pulse before it swooped in. that might also explain neo's collapsing.

won't know until the last chapter.

cheers

matt

p.s. let it be known that i for one, greatly enjoy the character of kaylee - even tho polls show that most of you don't!

SLOWSMURF

Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:23 AM

Select to view spoiler:

They actually posted something on the lines of Matrix in a Matrix long long ago at movies.com.(like a year or more) Seems the most likely theory right now based on everything in the movie. I'll be thinking about it more when I see it again.

EICHENLAUB

Saturday, May 17, 2003 4:30 AM

Reloaded sucked, and beleive me I can tolerate cinematic crap, but not this much crap. G. Lucas himself couldn't have screwed it up any worse. Hell, TPM was more exiting (Dual of Fates) than Reloaded( Slo-mo fuck/rave scene). Atleast G. Lucas was able to make one good sequal (Empire). And The Two Towers was crappy too(way too long with no real developement except for gollum). But it had some good battles. The best part of Reloaded was the free-way. And that was because it didn't have all the stupid kung-fu, or Morpheus talking out of his ass. Most people liked the shoot outs in the first movie more than the kung-fu crap. Like the federal building shoot out. This movie had nothing like that, and the free-way sequence was only half as good. If you are a Matrix fan you have probably seen the movie already, but if you aren't DO NOT waste your time.

Oh yeah, good news! John Doe and Fastlane went the way of Firefly! My misery loves this company.

Oh yeah, and my five bucks say that revolutions will end with humans and machines coexisting.
Listen to what the oracle and the councelor say, plus listen to that retard Keanu as he talks about the "Buddhist philosophy" in the movie.

God damn I miss Firefly. They should make a movie out of it. A two hour episode is all you need, it would be better than most movies, easier to make and it could make an easy profit as long as production costs were the same as the TV show.

SLOWSMURF

Saturday, May 17, 2003 5:53 AM

I think too many people went in with hopes way too high.

I thought the fights weren't quite as good as the first one(dunno about you, but I thought the kung fu battles in the first were awsome), but still good. Its kinda annoying that most people would've liked it more if they'd just done almost the same thing they did in the first :(

Oh, and yes, EVERYONE hates the rave scene. That is by far the biggest mistake they made in this movie.

XORYN

Saturday, May 17, 2003 6:43 AM

Well, I generally don't reply to movie talk because they can be so subjective and as we have seen already in this tiny posting what one person dislikes about a movie is exactly what other loves about it, but thats what makes movies great, to spark our minds, but this time I will, just because I have been coming to this board for a while and I feel more confortable here.

So, I really liked the Matrix Reloaded, for a couple simple reasons: first,it is the original(sort of). Ever since the original Matrix, a growing trend had been occurring where every studio,director, or producer with a few dollars and in need of an action scene in a movie had to have either bullet-time, or some over-elaborate kung-fu fight, and for years I have seen some good and most bad and after seeing Reloaded I realize that noone, in this country anyway, does it better. Everything about each scene, from the long shots to the quick pans to jump cuts to close-ups is done , in my opinion, right, and no movie has been able to do that besides the original Matrix.
Secondly, the dreaded rave scene, I guess I am looking at a little different then you guys. To me I thought it was good because it gave us a sharp contrast of the hard edge machines and the dirty, passion filled, heat and desire of human emotions and ability. The other angle which a friend of mine pointed out which also was a good thought was the religious angle. Neo is "The One", and thought of as a Jesus type character, the City of Zion was about to be destroyed for being who they were and doing the things they did, ala Sodom And Gamora (sp?). Just a thought.
Lastly, simply put, I loved the story. That one was easy to write....

Xoryn

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