How Universal treats you, its customers
POSTED BY: SebastianFelis
UPDATED: Friday, September 16, 2005 19:32
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This is a pretty standard disclaimer. I don't think it's anything to get excited about.
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You're the reason that the disclaimer was handed out in the first place, my friend. It's people like you who blow up over little things like this that Universal have to protect themselves against. They aren't being jerks, they're protecting themselves against jerks. You waived your rights when you walked in. If you didn't like it you didn't have to walk in. Your letter to Universal is not in any way legally binding. You can't waive rights and then attempt to claim them again later.
Your suggestion doesn't work either. You want them to get notarized signatures from every member of the audience? Might as well kiss any future screenings goodbye. It's too much hassle for Universal. They're doing these screenings to be nice to the fans. Please don't ruin it for the rest of us.
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You know, the irony of delivering huge amounts of flameage at someone cause one holds the opinion that someone else actions make them look bad, really should be pointed out here.
Guy had an issue with the disclaimer being handed out AFTER he forked over the cash - that's the meat of it, and he's got a point... Universal could make a note of it and ensure that theatre operators hand out such notices before any money is exchanged, it's good business.
As for what he wants to do about it, pffth, that's up to him, but delivering mass flamage because you folks think he might make 'us fans" look bad - IS WHAT MAKES "US FANS" LOOK BAD!
Are we clear ?
You don't have to agree, but have a little respect for other peoples opinions even if you do think they're asinine.
Some folks probably think yours are, too, and likely no shortage of folks who think mine are, heh..
We're BrownCOATS, not BrownSHIRTS, yes ?
-Frem
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Frem,
This fellow put this up on the table for discussion. That makes him and his ideas fair game for approval or disapproval. In this case, disapproval.
He also put into his letter that Universal had to get written consent from all Browncoats attending the Q&A.
That makes it appear as though he is representing those other browncoats.
I wonder how the browncoat community should feel about their assumed consent to have him represent us?
No, sir. He took his private war, made it public, and then included other people in his complaint to Universal. Other people who weren't consulted about being included in his fight.
He is wrong. He needs to be told that he is wrong.
If he can publicly proclaim his rightness, we can publicly proclaim his wrongness.
It's the best way we can get the message across that, despite his letter to the contrary, HE DOES NOT REPRESENT US.
--Anthony "I'm not with him" Toledo
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You know, the irony of delivering huge amounts of flameage at someone cause one holds the opinion that someone else actions make them look bad, really should be pointed out here.
Where did he get flamed? Mass disagreement is not necessarily flameage.
And as has been said, most of us aren't responding to his opinion, but rather the presumption in the letter that he is speaking for more than himself.
If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do. -"Angel"
Browncoat? Canadian? Join us:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/canadianbrowncoats/
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I have to admit, I don't see the problem this guy has.
He got to see the movie.
He got to see Joss Whedon in person.
He may appear on a DVD extra.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a DAMN good deal for the price he paid. I would pay probably ten times that much for the same privilege.
Were the cameras hidden? Doubtful.
Did they film this guy picking his nose or something? Again, doubtful.
Then what's the gorram problem? You may not be a fan of corporations, etc, but corporations gave us Firefly, and they're giving us Serenity.
You gotta take the good with the bad, but from where I'm sitting, it's all good... 
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I'm surprised how long this thread has gotten. A standard disclaimer like this just covers their backs. I can't believe someone would get upset over something like this... You're sitting in a gorram movie theater watching Serenity, Joss is there, and you might even find immortality on a DVD. And you complain about the fine print? A pile of Gose, this is. Did I even spell that right?
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> You're basically crying and looking for a free handout
No, I'm not. I don't want money. OK?
I'm angry at their approach, and I want them to change it.
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Originally posted by spikeandjezebel:
Oh, and I forgot to mention - he wants ONE PERCENT of the gross of the DVD sales?!! So if the DVD sells 1 million copies at $20 apiece, he would be demanding $200,000 for his participation?
Frankly, I doubt that even the main cast members will get one percent of the DVD gross sales!!
"I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care. Or indeed, why it should be necessary to prove it at all." -Kerr Avon
That's right: the demand is ludicrously large, quite unreasonable. I have no expectation or desire to get money out of this. That clause is purely there as a deterrent.
The reason I specified "gross" is that it's harder to manipulate gross figures than net, as is commonly done in the music industry.
I'll see your Avon quote and raise you this exchange...
Blake: Do you agree?
Avon: Do I have a choice?
Blake: Yes.
Avon: Then I agree.
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You work for 'em? The own you.
No, they don't. They have my services while they pay me, but I'm not a slave, indentured or otherwise.
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They're paying you? You're theirs.
I'm theirs while they're paying me to be, subject to the terms of the contract. A contract, let me emphasise, that I agreed to and signed beforehand.
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You don't buy their product. Whose product do you buy?
Lots of companies' products. I just don't buy the product of the company for which I work. It isn't ideological, it's just that the competition better suits my needs.
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(If you've never seen "The Corporation", you should check it out. It'll definitely give you an idea how The Alliance is pretty much already here.)
I'll have to give it a look.
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And as for people giving power to them?
You give "power" to the corporation when you buy their shit.
Buy a CD? Go to Mickey D's? Watch TV and see the commercials?
Open your wallet and you're giving power to the corps. That's the way it is.
That's exactly right. I'm not some braindead reactionary who thinks that large corporations are inherently evil; if I were, I'd be quite the hypocrite. But it's my choice not to eat at McDonalds, or to watch commercial television. I only rarely buy CDs these days; when I do, it's usually from Metropolis Records, who are not part of the RIAA (and who distribute the work of some great artists).
It's also my choice to buy from any given companies. I'm not the type to whine about "Them" as though "They" are some divine institution; I understand very clearly that the power of any given company is derived from the money they get from their customers, including me.
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Hey, I'm sorry you got a nasty shock at the end of the BDMovie with this waiver thing.
But as far as suing someone?
I hate to say it, but you'd be wasting your time and money. Unless you have it like that time and money wise, that is.
I probably would be wasting my time. As others have also pointed out, Universal can afford more and better lawyers than I can.
What I'm after is simply for them to take a reasonable approach; to ask, instead of telling us that we've already given.
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