Jaylee?!
POSTED BY: KayleeRulesAll
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 6, 2005 17:46
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I skimmed over some of the reasons given for this, and I might have missed someone mentioning this, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating something.
To me, the most telling scene is at the dinner table in the pilot episode. Jayne isn't a man for subtleties, but he picked up on Kaylee's crush on Simon with superhuman hearing.
Not only did he pick up on it, he picked on it. For a man that doesn't like Simon, his jokes were aimed at hurting Kaylee. Sounds like a jealous response to me.
I don't see a relationship being sewn out of this story thread, though. For one thing, the crush seems pretty one sided. For another, I don't think Jayne would ever let it be known.
It manifests in other ways...ties Jayne to the ship more certainly than just his respect for the captain...gives him something other than himself to care about.
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Not necessarily. Aside from when Inara was slurringly trying to cover her tracks in OUR MRS. REYNOLDS, I don't think there ever one was a Simon/Inara scene. The only time the two of them are in the same room is when the whole crew is together. And who was the person that Simon was opening up to and talking about drunken medical exploits in the final ep?
Yep, our little Kaylee.
You wanted to know what Simon means to Kaylee. I think to Kaylee, Simon is the opposite of every guy she's ever known. She's known Jayne's all her life to various degrees. But she's never met anyone who, despite lacking some of the finer social graces, is a true gentleman. Jayne or anyone else that she knew would've sacrificed his entire life for his sister. And that determination for doing the right thing, consequences be damned, would appeal to Kaylee's attraction to nobility. And underneath the awkward moments and mis-pronounced meanings, there is a genuine respect and dignity towards her. The whole episode of JAYNESTOWN is a primary example of that. When he tells her about how being polite and proper is his way of showing respect towards her, she's seeing that he will never take advantage of her, which you get the sense that Jayne would.
You should look at KaySky's stuff. The whole crux of her writing is Simon/Kaylee pairings, and she delves into why these two need each other. Her one story SUNSHINE epitomizes why Kaylee needs Simon.
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XANDER: (baby-talk) Who's a little fear demon?
C'mon, who's a lit-tle fear demon?
GILES: Don't taunt the fear demon.
XANDER: Why? Can he hurt me?
GILES: No, it's just… tacky.
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It's also a question of how fanfic writers see fanfic. As far as I'm concerned, you're not writing a "biography" of the characters (in quotes because you can never nail down all the details for people who don't exist). You're writing interesting stories. Some fanwriters and readers are "OTP" (one true pairing) shippers who won't look at anything else, but others might write a Jaylee story today and a Kaylee/Inara tomorrow, to explore the different relationships that could evolve in different circumstances.
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When it all comes down to it, we're talking about FANFIC and about people 'shipping characters from a tv show. This whole process is about taking from a loved show and creating something else with it. Some of us find emotional satisfaction pairing Jayne and Kaylee, some Kaylee and Simon, I'm sure there are some people out there who write oodles of Niska/Badger smut (not that I want to read this, or even meet these people), that's what they do. Who are we to judge? You don't like the couple, don't read it.
This is all supposed to fun, no? That's why I write and read the fic... it's fun for me. This is why I'm making so much of a case here, it's fun for me to plead Jaylee.
I don't want to upset anyone. I know I come off very strong, but that's who I am.
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Not necessarily. Aside from when Inara was slurringly trying to cover her tracks in OUR MRS. REYNOLDS, I don't think there ever one was a Simon/Inara scene. The only time the two of them are in the same room is when the whole crew is together.
Re: Simon and Inara.
"Serenity": Inara offers Simon some basic medical supplies to help Kaylee and he opens up to her about being lost and groundless after giving everything up for River.
"Bushwhacked", Inara comes to talk to Simon as he watches the crew play ball. They connect in that she understands his plight and River's plight more so than the rest of the crew to this point.
"Out Of Gas", Inara and Simon talk together when they believe they're going to die. Simon's upset because it was his birthday, Inara doesn't want to hear clinical descriptions of ashpixiation. They both comfort each other here.
"Heart of Gold", they help each other out during Petaline's birth, sharing both fear and humour in their situation.
[QUOTE}And who was the person that Simon was opening up to and talking about drunken medical exploits in the final ep?
Yep, our little Kaylee.
Which just underscores my point that when they talk, it's always about Simon. He's never once shown any interest in her past or family or life outside of Serenity. Not that I've seen.
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Jayne or anyone else that she knew would've sacrificed his entire life for his sister.
This is a blanket statement I find hard to believe. Mal and Wash alone would give up everything they had to save Zoe. If Inara was in trouble, Mal would sacrifice a lot as well. Jayne, while not the most loyal of all men, has shown immense sensitivity when it comes to his own family (him mother, his pop and his brother Matty). If pressed, I think Jayne would surprise you.
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And that determination for doing the right thing, consequences be damned, would appeal to Kaylee's attraction to nobility.
Kaylee's misplaced attraction to 'nobility' is what got her held at gun point in "The Message" if you remember correctly. She looked to Tracey, because she found nobility in his recording asking that the right thing be done for his parents.
I'm not saying Simon would ever endanger Kaylee or hold her at ransom or gunpoint, either, just bringing up a point.
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And underneath the awkward moments and mis-pronounced meanings, there is a genuine respect and dignity towards her. The whole episode of JAYNESTOWN is a primary example of that.
Simon feels for Kaylee, I never said he didn't. He does genuinely respect her and admire her, sometimes his priorities are elsewhere, though, and he doesn't think about how easily he hurts her.
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When [Simon] tells her about how being polite and proper is his way of showing respect towards her, she's seeing that he will never take advantage of her, which you get the sense that Jayne would.
That's a harsh judgement to make on anyone.
I never got the sense Jayne would take advantage of any woman, let alone Kaylee. Whenever we have seen him with women, he has been surprisingly gentle and affectionate.
The one time we've seen him hit a girl is when River attacked him with a knife. SHE attacked him an
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I watched the Director's Commentary for "Serenity" on the DVD (scene where Kaylee gets shot) again. Joss does clearly state that Jayne has a crush on Kaylee. He also says that this is the first real scene where you really see this, but there is more throughout the show.
Since the commentary was done after the show ended, I think Joss must have actually put the hints in there, assuming he knows what he wrote.
Joss deliberately put this in, so he must have plans to go somewhere with this plot line eventually. Jayne/Kaylee is such an odd pairing that Joss would love to use it.
Simon/Kaylee is also an obvious odd pairing. Simon says (jokingly) that Kaylee is his only option. But let's think about this, would Simon really have given Kaylee the time of day had he have met her under different circumstances?
I think Joss would enjoy writing either (or both) a Jayne/Kaylee or a Simon/Kaylee.
As someone else stated, Joss does like his odd pairings. He just loves to use the Scott Summers/Emma Frost pairing in Astonishing X-Men. Emma is the queen of evil and Scott is the ultimate Boy Scout.
In fact, Joss seems to prefer his love interest be of entirely differt ends of the spectrum. Not just slightly out of each others league, but that one need serious redemption of some kind. He always goes for one of them being almost completely bad with only a hint of good qualities.
Very typical Joss.
Just my two cents here.
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