I'm ready to start pointing fingers

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UPDATED: Sunday, March 8, 2026 23:08
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Originally posted by lynchaj:
This a major catastrophe and national tragedy and to you it's just another cheap trick to bash President Bush. What a bunch of mean spirited opportunistic vultures. You make me sick.

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This was an opportunity for the government to do something right. And AGAIN they made choices that got people killed. Why do you care that we bash a creep?
I think that you're basically a nice guy, and I try to keep a civil tongue in my head, but this is the wrong time and place to defend the hollow of spirit.
In the truest Buddist way I accept you as my brother. But bro, you're being an idiot. And if you were in front of me, talkin' as you do, I'm afraid I'd be bound to try and knock some sense into that thick skull of yours.
Open your eyes and close your mouth.
And watch how much Bush smiles all the time, and giggles like a kid that's stolen stuff his dad won't find out about.

Oh, and intelligent people that buy into bullshit to make themselves feel better make me sick.

Far from the funny Chrisisall

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They are continuing to make bad decisions...
the federal government has decided to reject all offers from other states to take in the refugees who wish to come.
I had mentioned before that Gov. Vilsack of Iowa was offering immediate residency status to those from Lousiana, Mississippi, and Alabama who have to start over. They will get immediate public housing and food stamps and other state aide in starting over.

Similar offers were made by
Minnesota
Indiana
Pennsylvania
South Carolina and other states
and these were rejected out of hand.
The federal government wants to keep thousands of people contained in sports arenas without even offering them the choice. I believe that this is a terrible mistake.
People should be able to have options.
They should never be at the mercy of ...
(well I don't want to start swearing here).


Again, I ask people to use those links at the beginning of this thread:
complain to your Senator and Congressman if you feel that this national crisis is being mishandled.

Please please do something to help the people.

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I don't know where they were taken, but it seems both the superdome and the convention center have FINALLY been evacuated.... in the Canadian press anyway :

http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/112583279
9269_61?hub=topstories

" National Guardsmen moved out the last 300 survivors in the Superdome, which had held some 20,000 people earlier in the week.

Also, the New Orleans Convention Center was "almost empty," according to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

As many as 25,000 people gathered there in the immediate aftermath of the storm.

Authorities believe there are now about 40,000 more people to rescue from the New Orleans disaster zone. "


So at least now, we can be gratefull that something is starting to happen...

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There may be massive damages to the economy, job loss, buisness destroyed by looting, homes wrecked, old people dying.

100 billion dollars of Damage to the US Economy ?

FEMA Chief: "Victims Bear Some Responsibility."
Michael Brown also agreed with other public officials that the death toll in the city could reach into the thousands.

No one knows how many people were killed by Hurricane Katrina and how many more succumbed waiting to be rescued. But the bodies are everywhere: hidden in attics, floating in the ruined city, crumpled in wheelchairs, abandoned on highways.

"I think it's evident it's in the thousands," Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt said Sunday on CNN, echoing predictions by city and state officials last week about the death toll.



Craig Vanderwagen, rear admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service, said one morgue alone, at a St. Gabriel prison, expected 1,000 to 2,000 bodies.

"We need to prepare the country for what's coming,"
Homeland Security Secretary
Michael Chertoff said on "Fox News Sunday." "We are going to uncover people who died, maybe hiding in houses, got caught by the flood. ... It is going to be about as ugly of a scene as I think you can imagine." Police Superintendent Eddie Compass said that two of his officers have committed suicide, including one who had just learned his wife had died.

Residents in Harrison County, Mississippi, complained about the slow pace of the removal of bodies. People in one Biloxi neighborhood showed CNN the body of their neighbor, wedged under a porch. They said emergency officials are aware of the body and told them not to remove it. In another Biloxi neighborhood, residents said they found 25 bodies washed up from the floodwaters.

Many Refugees are running and fleeing to Texas. About 15,000 people have been evacuated to Houston's Astrodome, which officials say is filled to capacity.

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You're right- it's a new low. But I wasn't taking a cheap shot at Bush. Your identity is so intertwined (I think the psychological term is enmeshed) with Bush's you can't tell I'm taking a cheap shot at you. Not Bush.

I've been trying mightily to keep civil. I've edited out more than you can imagine. But I've been watching this disaster unfold AS A DISASTER since at least Sunday, BEFORE landfall and at the same time I have seen pictures of Bush eating cake, playing guitar, playing golf, making fatuous comparisons between the war in Iraq and WWII and pushing his Medicare plan...!! On Wednesday... WEDNESDAY... three full days after he got a request for aid and two full days after the levees broke- he spent 90 SECONDS in a 40-minute speech "talking about" New Orleans and he still had DONE nothing. NOTHING! Can you explain that? Can you defend that?

Well, apparently you can. And you wil. And you do. At least Bush (or his political handlers) has seen the error of his ways. But YOU??? You defend every Bush disaster to the bitter end, fighting rear-guard actions on points that even Bush has abandoned. Wow. That's all I can say. Wow.

So I deeply and humbly apologize to everyone on this board for the graphic visual. But AJ- Ya gotta wake up, man. What will it take for you to figure out- you ain't Bush. He ain't you. And really, really...

Please don't think they give a shit.

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BTW- Since the White House really doesn't (see my signature)... donate, donate, donate! The hardest part will be six months or a year, when many refugees still have no jobs, no permanent place to go, and attention is diverted to the latest crisis. Please don't forget the victims too soon. Set an anniversary alarm for six months, for a year, or write it into you PDA or diary. Make sure we ALL follow up. And use the link in the very first post to write your Congressmen/ women. This is not right. Things in Washington have GOT to change because...

Please don't think they give a shit.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
But AJ- Ya gotta wake up, man. What will it take for you to figure out- you ain't Bush. He ain't you. And really, really...Please don't think they give a shit.

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Not just AJ, but millions of Americans who voted for the man with the lowest IQ ever to hold the office.
I haven't seen opinion polls, but I would guess the lack of timely and adequate response to the disaster isn't gonna win Bush any brownie points with voters.
There may be a chance to break this particular cycle, as long as the Democrats don't back a total loser to run.
Any hope?

Chrisisall

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I wasnt going to get involved in this thread; my blood runs far too hot towards the administration for me to keep a level head long enough to post at length without ranting. But this is somthing I think everyone posting here should see, especially those of you that would defend this administration at all costs.

Bush appointed one of his cronies, Michael Brown, to run FEMA before this crisis. Brown had zero experience to do the job, and the organization was subsumed into the blatantly incompetent Chertoff's DHLS just to make matters worse (Chertiff is quoted as saying that he found out about the Conv. Center victims in the morning paper - Just the kind of guy I want running the DHLS, let me tell ya). Here's the article, about what was going on, compared to what the people in charge on the Federal level said was happening. If you're still defending this administration after this, I'd be shocked.

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The big disconnect on New Orleans
The official version; then there's the in-the-trenches version

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Diverging views of a crumbling New Orleans emerged Thursday, with statements by some federal officials in contradiction with grittier, more desperate views from the streets. By late Friday response to those stranded in the city was more visible.

But the conflicting views on Thursday came within hours, sometimes minutes of each of each other, as reflected in CNN's transcripts. The speakers include Michael Brown, chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, evacuee Raymond Cooper, CNN correspondents and others. Here's what they had to say:

Conditions in the Convention Center


FEMA chief Brown: We learned about that (Thursday), so I have directed that we have all available resources to get that convention center to make sure that they have the food and water and medical care that they need. (See video of Brown explaining how news reports alerted FEMA to convention center chaos. -- 2:11)

Mayor Nagin: The convention center is unsanitary and unsafe, and we are running out of supplies for the 15,000 to 20,000 people. (Hear Nagin's angry demand for soldiers. 1:04)

CNN Producer Kim Segal: It was chaos. There was nobody there, nobody in charge. And there was nobody giving even water. The children, you should see them, they're all just in tears. There are sick people. We saw... people who are dying in front of you.

Evacuee Raymond Cooper: Sir, you've got about 3,000 people here in this -- in the Convention Center right now. They're hungry. Don't have any food. We were told two-and-a-half days ago to make our way to the Superdome or the Convention Center by our mayor. And which when we got here, was no one to tell us what to do, no one to direct us, no authority figure.
Uncollected corpses


Brown: That's not been reported to me, so I'm not going to comment. Until I actually get a report from my teams that say, "We have bodies located here or there," I'm just not going to speculate.

Segal: We saw one body. A person is in a wheelchair and someone had pushed (her) off to the side and draped just like a blanket over this person in the wheelchair. And then there is another body next to that. There were others they were willing to show us. ( See CNN report, 'People are dying in front of us' -- 4:36 )

Evacuee Cooper: They had a couple of policemen out here, sir, about six or seven policemen told me directly, when I went to tell them, hey, man, you got bodies in there. You got two old ladies that just passed, just had died, people dragging the bodies into little corners. One guy -- that's how I found out. The guy had actually, hey, man, anybody sleeping over here? I'm like, no. He dragged two bodies in there. Now you just -- I just found out there was a lady and an old man, the lady went to nudge him. He's dead.
Hospital evacuations


Brown: I've just learned today that we ... are in the process of completing the evacuations of the hospitals, that those are going very well.

CNN's Dr. Sanjay

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