Jaylee?!
POSTED BY: KayleeRulesAll
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 6, 2005 17:46
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Exactly. I agree that I have almost nothing to base my ideas on . . .just the way I'd like to see things work out. Sort of like: why do I like the color yellow? Just because.
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I'm sure many other Jaylee fans could give you specific scenes.
Well, for a start, Jayne and Kaylee are just so darned *cute* together. They bring out the best in each other, I feel. She brings out a softness in Jayne that wouldn't be there otherwise and he allows her to be herself in a way she can't be with Simon (she's always trying to impress him and gets so nervous around him in a way she never is with Jayne).
It's obvious that they both care for each other, him for her and her for him.
You'll notice whenever Jayne is hurt (The Train Job, Ariel, Trash) that it is Kaylee who rushes to him, Kaylee who stands by him when Simon is patching him up. When River slashes him with a knife, Kaylee runs to check on Jayne and not River who's also bleeding.
When Kaylee is hurt, Jayne gets ferocious to whoever hurt her (ie - that fed, if Zoe hadn't stopped him you can imagine what he would have done) and then he gets worried as all hell.
In "Shindig" when Jayne is about to shoot Badger, it's the sight of Kaylee with all those guns pointed at her that stops him. In "The Message" when Tracey has her hostage and Mal shoots him, Kaylee runs to Jayne.
It's also fairly obvious that Jayne is incredibly jealous of Simon and undeniable that Jayne tends to pick on Simon a lot more when Kaylee is flirting with him (The Train Job, Bushwhacked, Out of Gas, Ariel).
Kaylee and Jayne share the same sense of humour, the same simple outlook on life and food and sex. The building blocks for a successful relationship.
If you look carefully there are a lot of hints threaded throughout the series that Kaylee and Jayne are interested in each other and given Joss' penchant for making happy couples VERY unhappy, I'm thinking that a triangle with Simon/Kaylee/Jayne would have occured had the series been allowed to run.
Then again, Firefly is an incredibly 'shippy show and their are valid arguments for just about any couple you can imagine.
To each their own.
The thought of Jaylee just makes me happy.
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My thoughts on the whole Jaylee thing.
I have nothing against the idea of them pairing, but I'm just not too big on that idea. I can understand it (I think it's more of the idea of the big protector taking care of the naive, happy little ball of sunshine that overshadows Jayne's obvious lecherous personality), and a lot of the theories that have been posted before works, but I think that Simon/Kaylee stories are more appropriate.
Jayne doesn't really need Kaylee. Yes, he feel protective about her and would die for her before any other crew member, and to him she represents purity and innocence. But for Simon, she's his saving grace. She's the thing that keeps him from succumbing to the darkness Mal already has. I imagine without Kaylee, Simon over the years and on the run would just become bitter and cynical and totally lose his faith in humanity. Kaylee is there to tell him that it's all right, and that the 'verse can still be a wonderful place.
Agree/disagree/comments?
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The only thing you really have to say about Jaylee is JOSS WHEDON! You know what kind of guy he is, and how he likes to jerk around his fandom...They are the most unlikely pairing on the show, so of course...they might have ended up together..just to make things harder with Simon and Kaylee....That's just Joss for ya!
Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
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I ship Mal/Simon big time, but I like Kaylee, so if I'm going to frustrate her perfectly sensible ambitions, and there aren't any crossover or original characters for her in the particular story I'm writing, then sometimes I include Jaylee elements just to give her some entertainment.
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I like Jaylee. It helps that Joss said in the Director's Commentary for "Serenity" on the DVD (scene where Kaylee gets shot), that Jayne has a crush on Kaylee.
It is my idea, so naturally I'm inclined to think it's quite brilliant.
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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Jayne doesn't really need Kaylee. Yes, he feel protective about her and would die for her before any other crew member, and to him she represents purity and innocence. But for Simon, she's his saving grace. She's the thing that keeps him from succumbing to the darkness Mal already has. I imagine without Kaylee, Simon over the years and on the run would just become bitter and cynical and totally lose his faith in humanity. Kaylee is there to tell him that it's all right, and that the 'verse can still be a wonderful place.
Agree/disagree/comments?
Okay, here's my problem with that there logic:
It's all from the men's perspective, all from what Kaylee can bring Jayne and/or Simon. I'd like to know exactly what you think Simon brings to Kaylee, how their relationship helps her at all.
Here's where I sit:
Kaylee knows an awful lot about the school Simon went to, the hospital he worked at, the friends he got arrested with naked on top of the fountain... etc... I haven't seen any indication, *once* when they've been together, that Simon has shown any interest in Kaylee's life or history before Serenity.
To Kaylee, Simon is suave, sophisticated, he's seen the world and he knows a lot. Plus, he's shiny. He's a new man on a ship with limited choices, it's fairly given that she will give him the once over, check him out. Then, being the stubborn girl that she is, Simon presents a challenge and, in the end, the prize outstrips the intention.
Simon quite often makes Kaylee feel bad about herself, when he doesn't even mean it, when he's actually being truthful, which makes it worse. It's easier for Kaylee to deal with someone as obvious as those witches at the Shindig, but Simon who's just talking and manages to say such hurtful things about Kaylee and the things that she holds dear, it's hard for her.
Jayne may make crude comments and tease her a lot, but except for that one time in Serenity, none of his comments are ever really meant to hurt her. I'm not excusing that one time, by the way, it was cruel and hurtful and he deserved a smack down for it, but it was calculated, he knew what he was saying when he said it.
I don't ship them, but i feel that Simon is a lot more comfortable talking with Inara than he ever is with Kaylee.
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"Your toes are in the sand."
"And your head's up your..."
"Hey!"
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Having watched the first two and a bit seasons of buffy (up to the point where they have problems with an unlikely, or rather all-to-likely couple) i could understand why you guys just blame joss for his evil scheming....
But my hope is that firefly, with a more adult sensibility than buffy, wouldnt have rotated romances for the laugh and the awkward-ness.
Though i will add a piece of evidence: in bushwhacked, when jayne says 'little kaylee's always one man short', kaylee punches him in a affectionate yet annoyed way. hey, affection!
But ok, here is my theory: that one scene with jayne in the pilot, which was an on-set call, was just to make the crew more tightknit, and joss likes the idea that jayne might have a 'little' crush on kaylee, in hindsight. however, i think that this whole jaylee thing can be attributed to both
A)that jewel and adam get along so well, as is made clear (and by this point in our firefly/serenity adventures as fans, made obvious) in the commentaries and the special features, and the conventions since. The cast formed a chemistry that made them appropriately close, appropriate because the crew really is stuck together in a tiny air bubble for most of the time.... but this leads to B)...
B)That we have rewatched these eps so many times, we begin to LOOK for little glances, details, things too small to be scripted (ok, knowing joss that may be wrong, but still) to offer a possibility of affection between the characters.
Ok, so, basically: I think Jaylee is a creation of jewel and adam, not a creation of Joss. just my 2 bits.
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Just to throw my two cents in, since I'm one of those who's throwing a lot of Jaylee around the Blue Sun room lately.
First off, to each his own, right? There's really no accounting for taste. You're gonna find any which kind of pairing in any fandom out there. Kaylee and Jayne are far more conventional than some couples I've seen out there.
For me, there doesn't need to be concrete proof that there's an attraction between the two of them. Personally, I think Jayne's got a crush on Kaylee, for all the same reasons as listed above by Jacqui. There's enough implied in the series to back up that theory. Kaylee, perhaps cares for him as a crew member and friend at this point.
My pet theory, like listed above, is that Joss would have created the Simon/Kaylee/Jayne triangle eventually and throw everything into a tailspin (because frankly, that's drama, and we all love drama). Joss is very careful in the set up of his show, for example the subtle placement of Blue Sun through the show from the very beginning. I think Jayne's feelings are in the same vein, Joss is setting it all up from the very beginning. The feelings are there, they just haven't matured.
I don't think that they'd look at each other one day and be in love. Hell, I'm not entirely sure if Jayne's capable of romantic love from what evidence we have. A romance between them wouldn't be sunshine and roses, it wouldn't be pretty, and it wouldn't be easy. It would have to be a slow progression for Kaylee to see him as anything more than a friend and for Jayne to figure out just what it is he's feeling and what that means. But that's part of the beauty that is Jayne, lots and lots of room for personal growth. You throw in the Simon factor, the Mal factor, and anything other wrench you could imagine... you've got great drama. And that's really all it boils down to.
There's really no knowing what Joss had planned, and that's a tragedy, but what gave me a love for Jaylee, more than anything is that hint of possibility and since the show is gone, and the movies are not the venue for a complicated love triangle, I, and other Jaylee fans, have to create it for ourselves.
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Ok, so, basically: I think Jaylee is a creation of jewel and adam, not a creation of Joss. just my 2 bits.
Actually that's quite a compelling case for arguing that we would have seen more of Jaylee had the series continued. One of the things that makes Joss a genius is that it's not always possible to tell the difference between his carefully plotted character arcs and his impromptu exploitations of character chemistry.
(MILD BUFFY SPOILERS IN THIS PARAGRAPH).
I'm thinking here of Spike in particular - Spike was due to be killed off a few episodes after his arrival in Sunnydale, but the character got so much positive buzz that they found a way to keep him around. And then they signed James Marsters up for a single episode in Season 3 - they wanted Juliet Landau too but she wasn't available - and Spike by himself worked so well that they brought him back as a regular in Season 4.
Plus Jaylee would destabilise the crew in quite interesting ways - there's the Simon issue, and Mal would be angry, I think, and Inara wouldn't approve. Conflict, pain, jealousy, darkness. Yup, I could see Joss going there.
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