Browncoat Responsibility
POSTED BY: nxojkt
UPDATED: Monday, August 29, 2005 16:28
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Hear, hear! As one who has at times gone overboard in responding to jerks and idiots, I have to say that nxojkt is absolutely right; it's far better to handle such people in a polite, classy way.
Some reviewers won't like Serenity, which will put it in the same group as every other great work of art ever created. If we expect other people to treat our opinions with respect, we'll have to do the same even for those who find that Whedon's work is not their cup of tea.
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Because I've got the DVD."
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Originally posted by Cardie:
Hear, hear. Acting like a jerk never accomplishes anything. When representing Browncoats out in the world, act like Book, not Jayne.
Cardie
Actually, that's good advice in almost any situation!
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Gorram it. I fled the official Universal board to escape the sanctimonious preachifyin' only to find that here at FFF it's just as bad.
Do you think that if we're all little angels, with shiny halos, then nobody will have a word bad to say about us? If folks are looking to paint all the Flans as villians over a couple of bitty incidents -- incidents which may or may not have been blown out of proportion by our detractors, I may add -- then do you think that 99% of us being model citizens will make any difference???
Ninety-nine percent of us already *ARE* taking our Browncoat repurtations seriously. And among those reasonable and fair-minded individuals, there's still some who'll do righteous things that will later blow up in our collective faces. And why is that? Because we can't completely control how events will unfold, people. Plus there's no accounting for the deep-seated bias some folk have against sci-fi fans. So to my mind there's not really any point to crawling around on our bellies in mortal terror, fearin' that any wrong word or any 'wrong' action (don't wear that loud orange hat, now!) could turn prospective ticket-buyers again' us.
Speaking as a Browncoat, I don't cotton to having other Browncoats telling me how to 'behave' or to watch every word I say, or be meek when I'm attacked, lessen I piss off the powers that be. No, I absolutely do not like being dictated to.
Nor do I like being told what to think. If I had inclinations like that, I'd shut off my computer right now and go watch FOXNews.
Today has been real discouraging. So many Browncoats attacking other Browncoats, second-guessing their intentions, telling Browncoats that they owe some "responsibility" to the Collective, er, I mean, "the community."
Guess I'm going to have to stay off the boards until all this well-intended despotism goes away.
"I aim to misbehave"
Says so right on my shirt.
You folk can't take the sky from me.
Not even to "save" the Big Damn Movie.
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Originally posted by firefloozysuzie:
Gorram it. I fled the official Universal board to escape the sanctimonious preachifyin' only to find that here at FFF it's just as bad.
Do you think that if we're all little angels, with shiny halos, then nobody will have a word bad to say about us? If folks are looking to paint all the Flans as villians over a couple of bitty incidents -- incidents which may or may not have been blown out of proportion by our detractors, I may add -- then do you think that 99% of us being model citizens will make any difference???
Ninety-nine percent of us already *ARE* taking our Browncoat repurtations seriously. And among those reasonable and fair-minded individuals, there's still some who'll do righteous things that will later blow up in our collective faces. And why is that? Because we can't completely control how events will unfold, people. Plus there's no accounting for the deep-seated bias some folk have against sci-fi fans. So to my mind there's not really any point to crawling around on our bellies in mortal terror, fearin' that any wrong word or any 'wrong' action (don't wear that loud orange hat, now!) could turn prospective ticket-buyers again' us.
Speaking as a Browncoat, I don't cotton to having other Browncoats telling me how to 'behave' or to watch every word I say, or be meek when I'm attacked, lessen I piss off the powers that be. No, I absolutely do not like being dictated to.
Nor do I like being told what to think. If I had inclinations like that, I'd shut off my computer right now and go watch FOXNews.
Today has been real discouraging. So many Browncoats attacking other Browncoats, second-guessing their intentions, telling Browncoats that they owe some "responsibility" to the Collective, er, I mean, "the community."
Guess I'm going to have to stay off the boards until all this well-intended despotism goes away.
"I aim to misbehave"
Says so right on my shirt.
You folk can't take the sky from me.
Not even to "save" the Big Damn Movie.
So it's sanctimonious and preachy to ask people to consider what they're doing before they threaten theatre employees with physical violence or send hate mail to a web site because people are slow to ship something?
No, I don't think that people acting fine will keep bad press from coming about. But I do think that making threats and being assholes will be bring bad press.
It doesn't matter whether or not our detractors are blowing things out proportion. When the people who run a web site like IESB.net call us an angry mob or the people at AICN.com compare us to Scientologists, more people are going to hear that than any "screaming" or "yelling" that we do in talkback forums.
I'm not telling you how to act... I'm saying that if you are one of the morons who is threatening a person over a movie ticket, then you need to consider your actions. If you aren't one of those, then move on.
I'm not saying you should meek when attacked. Who has attacked you? The theatre employee for telling you the movie is sold out? The comic store employee who wanted to make some extra money for his last comic? Or the web site moderator who slow to ship a free prize?
If someone smacks you in the face because you are a browncoat... then fight back. But none of these things warranted the response that they got. Joss chimed in on the first example, telling people not to do it. Nathan chimed in on the second example and asked people to stop. Were they being preachy and sanctimonious? No, they were asking for common sense to be used.
What I'm saying is that it seems at times as though people are seeking these problems. The theatre employees weren't standing out in front of the theatre taunting fans because the movie was sold out. The comic book guy was rude to Nathan, but not to the hundreds of people who wrote hate mail. And the IESB.net people were slow to send something to 4 people... which got them threats from more than 4.
What I'm asking people to do is simply to not go out of their way t
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Thank you for saying this, and saying it so well. There's a reason I rarely post on any of the boards, and it's the behavior of some over-the-top Browncoats. I agree with every word, and I hope some of the fans who act out like this consider that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and bad press is the last kind of "grease" we want.
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$$$$$ is the only thing that matters. Acting nice didn't save our favorite show. Acting nice won't get companies that put out phony competitions to pony up. You have to hit companies with boycots and negative press.
Threatening theatre owners is out of line but I believe if a company rips you off you don't piss yourself and beg for a nice review.
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nxojkt,
Gosh! You're right about everything NX!
How would the 99% of us with a decent upbringing, and a minimal amount of smarts, ever know how to
conduct ourselves without benefit of your wise counsel? Until you posted your Guidelines for Responsible Conduct, I was completely out of control. (Sarcasm --where's the emoticon for that?)
Apparently you conventiently missed my point:
The few Browncoats to whom you aim your lecture
probably don't recognize that they're your intended audience, and if they do, they probably don't give a r*t's a$$ about how their actions affect othere.
Whereas, them as has half a brain, and a modicum of decency, may take offense at your presumption that we all don't understand the most obvious rules of civilised conduct, and we
need to be lectured to like errant kindergartners.
I consider your post to be offensive because it a) states the obvious and b) assumes that the rest of us require instruction on how to behave.
In my book, that makes YOU as big a jerk as the people you are complaining about.
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Quote:
Originally posted by firefloozysuzie:
nxojkt,
Gosh! You're right about everything NX!
How would the 99% of us with a decent upbringing, and a minimal amount of smarts, ever know how to
conduct ourselves without benefit of your wise counsel? Until you posted your Guidelines for Responsible Conduct, I was completely out of control. (Sarcasm --where's the emoticon for that?)
Apparently you conventiently missed my point:
The few Browncoats to whom you aim your lecture
probably don't recognize that they're your intended audience, and if they do, they probably don't give a r*t's a$$ about how their actions affect othere.
Whereas, them as has half a brain, and a modicum of decency, may take offense at your presumption that we all don't understand the most obvious rules of civilised conduct, and we
need to be lectured to like errant kindergartners.
I consider your post to be offensive because it a) states the obvious and b) assumes that the rest of us require instruction on how to behave.
In my book, that makes YOU as big a jerk as the people you are complaining about.
Wow did you miss the point. You've taken this to the level of name calling, and that demonstrates how much you missed the point. I'm sorry that my post offended you. It wasn't the point. I'm not sure why a plea for good conduct is offensive... so be it. If you think I'm a jerk because I asked people to be nice, then, oh well... I doubt I'll lose sleep over it.
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Originally posted by infra172:
$$$$$ is the only thing that matters. Acting nice didn't save our favorite show. Acting nice won't get companies that put out phony competitions to pony up. You have to hit companies with boycots and negative press.
Threatening theatre owners is out of line but I believe if a company rips you off you don't piss yourself and beg for a nice review.
Do we know that it was a phony competition? Because they took 6 weeks to ship the prize, that makes it phony. Man, e-bay has sure spoiled the alternate retail world (alternate meaning anything other than walking into a store and picking buying it over the counter). Prior to e-bay's rapid style shipment, 6-8 weeks was pretty standard for mail order or phone order. Assuming someone is ripping you off because they don't ship your stuff the next day is a bit much.
Boycots and negative press are one thing. These people were threatened. And that's crossing the line.
And... as I said... we have to pick our battles. Were 4 people not getting posters in a timely manner worth threatening people? Is that worth going crazy and en mass sending hate mail? If you complain about every little nothing thing, people tend to ignore your complaints.
You are right, money is the only thing that matters. And when the out of control browncoats piss off all of the internet movie sites and that hurts the box office, we'll see just how much money does matter. There are currently 50,000 members of the official fan club. If that's all that go see the movie, then there won't be much to celebrate come Oct 2.
I never said we should beg for a nice review. I said we should not go out of our way to piss people off.
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