Firefly is an 'Outlaw Star' rip-off!!! (apparently)

POSTED BY: Daz
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VIKINGPHOTOGRAPHY

Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:26 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Japan anime/manga freaks

Fact: the majority of Japan cartoons are rubbish apart from about 4 or 5 that the movie critics will admit are ok to watch.

there's something seriously wrong with these folks, they are obsessed with Japanese film cartoons and think everything from Japan is totally original and oscar winning material

ignore these idiots

What's funny about all of this is:

At the press conference for the Serenity world premier in Edinburgh, the first question to Joss was regarding the genus for Firefly/Serenity; his (jovial) answer was

"Japanese Anime Porn...."

All of the photog's, reporters and journalists present had a good chuckle at that one.

CITIZEN

Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Fact: the majority of Japan cartoons are rubbish apart from about 4 or 5 that the movie critics will admit are ok to watch.

I think your confusing fact with your opinion there. But well done for dismissing a big part of an entire peoples culture as rubbish, are you an ambassador perhaps?

The post to wikipedia is unacceptable, a single line saying it can be compared with is one thing, but the above is something else.
May I suggest not getting overly worked up, inform the proper people and all that, but whomever wrote that most likely just wanted to

people off.

Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.

KENJI88

Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:44 PM

I also thought Firefly was more like Cowboy Bebop mixed with trigun. i used to watch outlaw star and it wasnt very good.

DAZ

Friday, August 26, 2005 6:14 AM

At last, vindication and corrective action within 39 hours!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_and_Outlaw_Star

THEGREYJEDI

Friday, August 26, 2005 6:57 AM

*kills you with a big anime hammer making a ridiculous anime expression spouting off fan-subbed Japanese.*

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MURMURER

Friday, September 2, 2005 5:29 AM

The page was relocated to the discussion section of the main Firefly article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Firefly_%28television_series%29

DAZ

Friday, September 2, 2005 6:49 AM

Thank goodness for this action but we're still not out of the woods yet. If enough Outlaw Star fanboys get together on this, it could force the administrators to restore this contentious piece of crap to the main article.

If that happens then Firefly's reputation will be seriously trivialised on Wikipedia (a widely read internet reference). Then we'll start seeing more and more garbage being put up by other fanboys wanting to pimp their favourite show.

How does a "Firefly and Big Brother" comparison sound? They both feature an enclosed space and a group of people of breeding age who make passes at each other for the audience's prurient entertainment. Ridiculous comparison I know but this is exactly where its going if "Firefly and Outlaw Star" wins inclusion.

MURMURER

Friday, September 2, 2005 8:44 AM

Given that most of the votes were for deletion and very few were for re-integration into the main article, I wouldn't worry too much about the fanboys. I've been reading wikipedia's policies, and they seem to be pretty good about discounting biased votes (which is, to be honest, why I haven't voted!) and on limiting opinionated writing in their articles. Feel free to add your own commentary to their discussion if you haven't already - but if you're not registered, keep in mind that despite their open policy, they tend to discount outsider opinions completely when it comes to decisions of this sort.

DREAMTROVE

Sunday, October 9, 2005 7:04 PM

Okay, I'm new to this, but I'm in bed with pneumonia and nothing better to do. To the insinuation that firefly was heavily derivative of outlaw star my reply would be: Duh! Seriously, thought I haven't seen Outlaw Star, but I've seen Cowboy Bebop, and the evidence that firefly is a cross between the two is overwhelming. The idea that this was not intentional on Joss' part is absurd.

Now for the next part. So What.

No one jumped up and down and said, oh look this Farscape is the same idea as the cheesy 80s brit show Blake's 7, so let's not watch it. Original ideas are good, but they aren't the only thing. Well told stories are also good. This is an idea that has been had before. I don't know about Outlaw Star, but it will go on to my next-to-watch list, because Cowboy Bebop was awesome. Firefly is also awesome. This is another nifty idea that merits being done more that once.

Here's another point for the sticklers:

What if someone had an idea for a TV show like one of the following:

1. Let's have a romance, and set it in a hospital.
2. How about a crime show where the characters are cops?
3. What if we had a comedy, and set it in a dysfunctional family?

Show ideas, even combo show ideas, have been done more than once. I hope everyone recognized the above list as some sample ideas that have been done about 400 times too many. Is there space in this world for 3 space-westerns? sure. There may be space for a dozen for all I know. Was firefly the first? No, obviously not. It probably won't be the last either. I'll probably watch the next one too. I'll also watch the next "we're all a bunnch of escaped prisoner's in a stolen spaceship running away from the law" show.

GEEKMAFIA

Sunday, October 9, 2005 10:00 PM

okay i'm a fan of Firefly Outlaw star and Cowboy bebop and i noticed the links between the three clearly its not stolen but at the same time it isn't fair to compare it saying all drama rips off shakespeare as there are some very close similarities the two that jumped out at me were

a) we first meet river as she lies naked asleep in a box the situation is identical to when we first see melfina in OS.

b)when river (again) has us believe she has "become" the ship in OIS this really felt like an homage to melfina's ability to become the outlaw star and control it.

but like i said homage not robbery i'm almost certain for these reasons and others i noted that joss has seen / is a fan of OS but i think its more of a sign of respect to a fellow creator not an attempt to steal from a foreign show.

Quote:
Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Japan anime/manga freaks

Fact: the majority of Japan cartoons are rubbish apart from about 4 or 5 that the movie critics will admit are ok to watch.

there's something seriously wrong with these folks, they are obsessed with Japanese film cartoons and think everything from Japan is totally original and oscar winning material

ignore these idiots

there is no need to attack anime fans (please note FANS not freaks we prefer to be called fans) as all the people i know who've seen Firefly and Outlaw star just see it as a nice little nod to the show not a blatent stealing of ideas so calm down and as you may have guessed from the post i'm actually an anime fan AND a Firefly fan so please less of the "There's something wrong with these folks" stuff most of us are pefectly normal people just like most Fireflyfans or any sci-fi fans

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ZOE: Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up.
WASH: I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it.

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