Pat Robertson advocates murder
POSTED BY: perfessergee
UPDATED: Saturday, August 27, 2005 09:15
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Robertson also suggested that Chavez would spread Castroism and Islamic extremeism in the Western hemisphere
Castroism maybe. Chavez does admire Fidel. But Islamic extremeism? Never heard of him being connected with that.
He might also advocate Nazism, abortion, gay marriage, Gray Davis, Jane Fonda, Rose Bird for the Supreme Court, Bennito Mussolini, and Ted Kennedy.
Pick your favorite demon and tar the guy with your paint brush.
NewOld
"This is why we lost, you know... superior numbers."
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Originally posted by Jeff0004:
All good questions Dude, maybe we should ask the former senior Clinton advisor George Stephanopoulos, in 1997 he said the same thing Robertson did, only he said it about Saddam, and in much greater detail. So of course you condemn him for that opion as well. By the way, where was the so called media when old Stephy said this? Where was the outrage? He even went so far as to say "If Clinton decides we can and should assassinate Saddam, he could call in national-security adviser Sandy Berger and sign a secret National Security Decision Directive authorizing it." and "What's unlawful - and unpopular with the allies - is not necessarily immoral."
What both men said is wrong, very wrong. Robertson has nothing to do the the administration, while George Stephanopoulos was a high level advisor.
Have a nice day and remember do not let the facts change your almighty opinion they are after all only facts.
P.S. Calling Chavez a democratically elected president is like calling Saddam a democratically elected president. Just ask Castro what it is like to win that kind of election.
Ahhh, there it is; I was beginning to think we wouldn't get it in this thread, but I'm almost never disappointed when it comes to hard core Bushiates. The (in this case slightly modified) "But Clinton" defense. Yes, as a Clinton supporting liberal, I agree with you that both men were wrong. On the other hand, if you think Robertson doesn't have an extrememly high level of pull in this administration, and a high level of support from this admin's 'base,' then you are amazingly deluded.
And, you are also incorrect about why the outrage is being expressed. The outrage isn't over the statement itself, it is over the man making the statement; a so-called Christian leader, defended by people who only say that this kind of hate speech is made by races/religions they don't like. "Why, a Christian leader would never advocate murder, like an Islamic fundamentalist does!" Bzzzzzzt, sorry Hans, wrong guess, wanna try for double jeopardy where the scores can really change?
I would suggest you come down out of the ivory tower you live in and look around it sometime. You don't have to make snide remarks about how we don't let facts change our minds, because you're being a hypocrite. Just because two men make a similar statement does not make those statements politically, socially, or morally equal. A secular Presidential advisor offering up military solutions to a crisis is not the same as a spiritual leader who advocates the same thing. But hey, don't let logic or morality get in the way of your almighty opinion; it is after all, only logic and morality.
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Well said, 7%
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P.S. Calling Chavez a democratically elected president is like calling Saddam a democratically elected president. Just ask Castro what it is like to win that kind of election.
Chavez's election was certified by international observers as a fair election, Saddam's was not. I wasn't there for either of them, so I can't comment beyond the above.
For a U.S. official to advocate assassination is to advocate a criminal act.
For a religious leader to advocate assassination is to advocate both a criminal act and a sin, by his own lights.
The abortion opponents keep claiming divine law trumps civil law, although I suspect the distinction would be lost on the victim.
Very few people take independant action based on what government officials say. Unfortunately, there are those few zealots who take the utterings of religious leaders to imply divine endorsement of a concept, viz: Eric Rudolph, who God apparently told to blow up abortion clinics, the Atlanta Olympics and a lesbian nightclub.
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
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Actually, on further reflection--
I do have a short "better off dead" list my own self. Some of them will never be missed. Please email me for the list if you'd like to contribute to this little effort.
DISCLAIMER:
The killing of people on my list is not, to my knowledge, endorsed by any civil government, nor by any deity, known or unknown. You'll be acting strictly on your own, and afterwards I will, with a perfectly straight face, say I don't know you.
'Course I'm not publicizing any names. I don't have a tv show, a tv station, nor anyone sending me money so I can continue to tell them what God thinks. (Feel free to send money if you want to know what I think. I've got no clue what God thinks.)
Guess I'm not a great man. I'm just OK.
To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks. --Robt. Heinlein
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>>>I've got no clue what God thinks>>>
Don't worry, I don't think Pat Robertson has either.. 
We need more mutual understanding.
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7%, you're just a fly in the ointment,
a monkey in the wrench...
And I agree 100% Chrisisall
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I have little respect for a leader who speaks out of both sides of his or her mouth. This Robertson fella advocates a whole lot of warmth and light, and then turns around and calls up an order of murder. Hypocrisy of the highest order. Doesn't speak for most Christians, I'd think. Probably keeps power and viewership by appealing to the lowest common denominator. Everyone hates somebody. Hitler understood that. Hatred and blame go a long way to unify a people.
Now, what about assassination, itself, as a valid thing to do?
To my pea brain, assassination is an act of war. You're shooting at, blowing up, or otherwise killing an official of another country.
Seems to me that if you're at war, assassination is just one of the many kinds of killing at your disposal.
Seems to me that if you're not at war, you ought to be after the assassination.
Also seems to me that we (the US) got real upset when Japan went to war with us without declaring it first. If we assassinated a foreign leader before declaring our intentions, we'd be justifiably reviled.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Anyone here read 'Stranger in a Strange Land'? Where religious leaders barely distinguishable from circus carnies are consulted by the president's wife for divine guidance on government policy ...
Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
The outrage isn't over the statement itself, it is over the man making the statement...
A secular Presidential advisor offering up military solutions to a crisis is not the same as a spiritual leader who advocates the same thing. B]
These comments strike me as just plain weird.
As for what the outrage is about, speak for yourself. I'm outraged that a public figure proposes government sanctioned murder without due process or a formal declaration of war. I don't give a f*ck whether he's a televangelist or a presidential advisor.
As to the moreally/ethically mitigating circumstances that may result because the proposed murder is a "military solution to a crisis" as opposed to the words of a "spiritual leader", I suspect the distinction is lost on the murder victim and his/her family.
All this left/right maneuvering to condemn it when one guy does it but excuse or mitigate it when another does it just makes me sick. It was wrong then. It's wrong now. End of story.
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