Bush versus the CIA

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Friday, August 26, 2005 19:21
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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:29 AM

Ex-CIA official blasts Bush on leak of operative's name
www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/23/dems.radio/index.html

Quote:
(CNN) -- A former CIA intelligence official who once worked with Valerie Plame blasted President Bush and his administration for their response to the role of top White House aides in allegedly leaking Plame's identity as a CIA operative.

... Johnson, a registered Republican who voted for Bush in 2000, said he and Plame have been friends since they began their training at the CIA in 1985... In Saturday's radio address, Johnson said he was "stunned" by government officials' "ignorance about a matter so basic to the national security structure of the nation."

He strongly responded to some Republican allegations that minimized Plame's role in the CIA. "We must put to bed the lie that she was not undercover," he said.

"Instead of a president concerned first and foremost with protecting this country and the intelligence officers who serve it, we are confronted with a president who is willing to sit by while political operatives savage the reputations of good Americans like Valerie and Joe Wilson."

He also said that not punishing Rove sends the message to operatives and their contacts abroad that their work and identities will not be protected by the White House.

CHRISISALL

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:38 PM

But according to Hero, isn't that whole thing like, a non-event? I mean, nobody died, or nuthin'...

If I was undercover in another country, I'd be damn nervous about now Chrisisall
PLUS: What's his dad think of this?

SPINLAND

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:40 PM

The CIA needs to "take out" Rove. Non-violently, of course.

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I can see you.

HKCAVALIER

Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:15 PM

Someplace nice, with candles?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:18 AM

Everything is a joke to you, right? lol

And you're not funny, lol, at all!

lol

Can't stop the funny Chrisisall

HERO

Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:32 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
But according to Hero, isn't that whole thing like, a non-event? I mean, nobody died, or nuthin'...

I don't know about it being a non-event, but Plame apparantly outed herself years before it was published. She told her husband and thats illegal.

Further, she was a former covert operative and the law only applies to current and recent covert operatives and her service was well outside the legal limit.

It was common knowledge who she was, who she was married to (it was printed in the Who's Who magazine), and people who knew her knew where she worked.

So if anybody should be punished it should be her and Bob Novak.

H

RUE

Friday, August 26, 2005 4:23 AM

1) You are allowed to tell a few people on a need to know basis - usually a spouse

2) She was an active, not former operative, and made many recent job-related overseas trips

3) it was common knowledge she was Wilson's wife, it was NOT common knowledge she was an operative; on the flip side even her equally undercover co-workers did not know her civilian identity; and while the location of her office may have been able to be discerned, her job in that office was not

4) Novak is a scumbag

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

PERFESSERGEE

Friday, August 26, 2005 6:07 AM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
But according to Hero, isn't that whole thing like, a non-event? I mean, nobody died, or nuthin'...

I don't know about it being a non-event, but Plame apparantly outed herself years before it was published. She told her husband and thats illegal.

Further, she was a former covert operative and the law only applies to current and recent covert operatives and her service was well outside the legal limit.

It was common knowledge who she was, who she was married to (it was printed in the Who's Who magazine), and people who knew her knew where she worked.

So if anybody should be punished it should be her and Bob Novak.

H

OK, I'm in complete agreement that Bob Novak should be in jail. Hypocrite scumbags deserve their own Special Hell. But, when apologists for those who are in power are involved, I'm not gonna hold my breath for even an instant (there's this little trivial issue of "who is going to prosecute"? Uh, those in power? Yeah, right).

But now I'm going to have to shout, Hero: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU THINK THAT THE VICTIM SHOULD BE PUNISHED? Is this how the prosecuting attorneys work in your district? If this is how you view the victim, then damn I'm glad that none of my family or friends live there.

And I've already self-censored. You should have seen my first response.

perfessergee

SERGEANTX

Friday, August 26, 2005 6:13 AM

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Originally posted by perfessergee:
But now I'm going to have to shout, Hero: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU THINK THAT THE VICTIM SHOULD BE PUNISHED? Is this how the prosecuting attorneys work in your district? If this is how you view the victim, then damn I'm glad that none of my family or friends live there.

And I've already self-censored. You should have seen my first response.

perfessergee

We've yet to hear the real story on Hero. It's been suggested he's a mutant cyborg, bent on the destruction of all humanity. Or just an asshole. The truth may be even more frightening than our worst nightmares.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

AURAPTOR

Friday, August 26, 2005 10:00 AM

Still not convinced it was Bush or Rove. Why? Because it doesn't get them anything, that's why. Plame's name was already out there, she wasn't on any list of protected names, and it hasn't benefited the W.H. in any way what so ever. If anything, it's been blown way out of proportion.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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