Anyone interested in an authentic copy of Mal's pistol?

POSTED BY: rickbilyeu54
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 07:54
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HASLINGER

Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:01 AM

I'm gonna disagree about zoe's gun i still say its a maxi
go here...go classic guns then click marushin

http://redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category

I could see the saiga, but i don't know if the body totally works...

FANGUN

Saturday, August 13, 2005 5:29 AM

Oooo, y'know what? You could be right about that. The lever loop looks a little different than the one in "Wanted Dead or Alive". Who is Maxi Randall, btw? I'm showing my ignorance here.

When you say you don't know if the body works on the Saiga, do you mean that you doubt it would actually function? Or are you saying that you don't think the gun from "Showtime" is Vera?

Oh yeah...belated apologies for TOTALLY hjacking the Mal's Pistol thread. Does Master Replicas do custom work?

HASLINGER

Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:48 PM

Agreed. Sorry for the hostage moments. Could be I just think the body design isn't quite right...but I need to stare a Vera some more. I wonder how hard it would be to mod her off of some existing parts?

FANGUN

Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:27 PM

Well...the core AK parts would be easy enough to get, whether you want real, airsoft, or just replica, AK parts are really common. (If it IS a Saiga, then you'd actually need a longer rarer core to be totally correct,but I think close enough counts).

The really tough part looks like all the "fluff" they added, and the muzzle brake, handguards and stock. That all looks like custom machining...you'd either do it yourself, or maybe Master Replicas or some place would do it for you out of plastic. It looks like a LOT of machining work though.

FANGUN

Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:27 PM

Well...the core AK parts would be easy enough to get, whether you want real, airsoft, or just replica, AK parts are really common. (If it IS a Saiga, then you'd actually need a longer rarer core to be totally correct,but I think close enough counts).

The really tough part looks like all the "fluff" they added, and the muzzle brake, handguards and stock. That all looks like custom machining...you'd either do it yourself, or maybe Master Replicas or some place would do it for you out of plastic. It looks like a LOT of machining work though.

ROGUEGUNSLINGER

Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:56 PM

Jayne's revolver is really a LeMat. If you watch the Ariel episode in the intro where he's cleaning his gun, he has the barrel removed and then replaces it back onto the receiver. Also, you can see the shotgun barrel under the pistol barrel whcih is only, and I mean ONLY, present on a LeMat. Also, a modern revolver is double-action, meaning pull thr trigger and fire but a LeMat is single action which means you have to cock the hammer to fire it, which Jayne does in Our Mrs. Reynolds when fighting the bandits with his "wife". As for the Saiga-Vera theory, yes the magazine is large, but that is just a body cover over an original magazine, it's not that hard to do. Also, the top of the receiver of Vera has reinforcing ribs along the top every inch or so which I'm pretty sure is not present on a Saiga shotgun.

FANGUN

Monday, August 15, 2005 2:12 AM

Are you referring to the greyish bare metal reinforcing ribs across the top? That whole section appears to be a machined add-on that has nothing to do with the base gun. If you look closely at the receiver, you'll see that the core AK receiver is still black IZMASZH factory paint.

If you're referring to the kind of reinforcing ribs found on some AK dustcovers well, you're right that Saiga's don't have those, but I'm damned if I can see well enough to make them out in the pictures.

My main reason for thinking that Vera is a Saiga-12 either IS or looks exactly like, the weapon used by Robert DeNiro in "Showtime". You can see the letters "SAIGA-12" engraved on the side of the black receiver (trunion). Some differences were added for Firefly: a big muzzle brake, the optic mounted on top, and the cartridges held in the stock, but the rest is pretty much the same.

You're right...that is not a Saiga magazine in the "Showtime" pics...I can't see the one on Vera very well.

SPENSER

Monday, August 15, 2005 4:00 AM

Mal’s Gun was completely fabricated in the computer and CNCed in wax and cast in brass, a modern revolver trigger and cylinder were used inside. It never had a base of a real world firearm from the past.

And another thing you might get with an MR replica is this…Mal’s series gun is not being use in the film, a new gun with some notable difference, but the same basic design was constructed for the movie.

So if a MR replica is made it most likely won’t be the TV version.

Not a bad idea though Rick!

Here’s a very blurry picture of the inside of the TV gun. The pic was very small so it blurred when I enlarged it, but you can still see the revolver inside.

SLOOPYJON

Monday, August 15, 2005 9:16 PM

as i understand it your coment isnt exactly right

firstly the gun did fire they used a modern fire arm so there was less liklely hood of missfires etc they cut the handle off and replaced it with an oldy worldy looking grip then the rest of the gun was just cladding over the top of the gun rather than compleatly makeing it in the computer
also i have been a product model maker for the past 10 years and you hardly never machine stuff in wax more likely they machined in eather prototyping board or a block of resin then cast it and got a wax out of the mold to make a brass casting from the lost wax process.

also whilst i realise my replica isnt 100% acurate and i have only seen the film once so i cant be sure but mals gun looked pretty much the same now jaynes lemat i dont think showed up once
but again i have only seen the film once so you may well be right i know they chainged the ship slightly but nathan never said that they chainged the gun when i was talking to him about it

finaly with regards to master replicas yes they do some fine work but i find there normaly over priced and with so meny people makeing so meny fine replicas of his pistol why do you need a licenced very very expensive replica of mals gun when you can get a very good copy from a fan just like yourself that has worked so hard to make a very cool object
and i cant say for certain but chances are thet most of master replicas stuff is made in the far east for 100th the price they sell it for so i say keep the replicas for firefly in the hands of the fan prop makers
just my opinion you understand

SPENSER

Monday, August 15, 2005 9:53 PM

You are misunderstanding what I’m saying, and I didn’t say that it didn’t shot or fire some kind of cartridge, and I did say they used a modern gun inside I even posted a picture of it.

What I’m saying is most people think that Mal’s gun as it appeared on the show was a modified old time 1800’s type gun.

The info on how it was made was posted on the ASAP board some months back from the website of the manufacture of the gun for the series.

The gun for the movie is quite different in many small details, especially the lower area below the side rods see pic:

Until the movie is released I can’t show the new Serenity gun in it’s entirety but this is just one of the changes.

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