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How Would They Do it?

POSTED BY: HKCavalier
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 9, 2005 10:58
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Sunday, August 7, 2005 10:53 PM

Many here have asked what is the objective of Bin Laden and other group who oppose the US, some like IB and SergeantX have put forth very good points on the subject...

But I don't feel the story is really complete unless we also ask what has been the objectives of the United States in the region ( particularly the last fifty or so years ) and those of the European powers following the first world war.

Some same stability, some say control, some say exploitation.....

I would suggest that much of this fight is a more or less a direct response to Western actions... Taking religion out of the equation for a moment, I believe that the people of our respective countrys, particularly the US, would not stand to be treated as we have collectively treated the people in that part of the world...

and yet it goes on ?





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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Many here have asked what is the objective of Bin Laden and other group who oppose the US, some like IB and SergeantX have put forth very good points on the subject...

But I don't feel the story is really complete unless we also ask what has been the objectives of the United States in the region ( particularly the last fifty or so years ) and those of the European powers following the first world war.

Some same stability, some say control, some say exploitation.....

I would suggest that much of this fight is a more or less a direct response to Western actions... Taking religion out of the equation for a moment, I believe that the people of our respective countrys, particularly the US, would not stand to be treated as we have collectively treated the people in that part of the world...

and yet it goes on ?



It's clear that the Administration has strategically framed the conflict as a monumental war of irreconcilable cultural difference as a means to justify major interference with the Mid East. Ironically, the pattern of terrorist activity and the extreme anti-western sentiment seen in the last 40 years just might be due to major western interference with the region in the first place. After the first world war, the West has carved up the Middle East into colonies on the one hand and kleptocratic (gotta love that word) monarchies willing to play our game on the other. And we certainly didn't make any points with the creation of Israel.

I'm pretty sure that Bin Laden hoped the Bush Administration would retaliate violently and indiscriminately. The whole "paper tiger" thing was the equivalent of calling someone a "pussie" on the playground to get'm to fight you. But Bin Laden's war isn't really with the west, but with non-radicalized Islam. He wants his movement to take hold throughout the Muslim world and the only way to do that is to prove that he's "right" about America and the West. And Bush's America was too promising a tool to pass up. Now that America seems thoroughly committed to playing every hand by Bin Laden's rules, it's time to work on England...

HKCavalier

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Tuesday, August 9, 2005 10:58 AM

So your saying this isnt a holy fight of good verses evil, that part of the responcibillity for some of the problems is down to the western powers!
You crazy conspiracy theory loving lefty...

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