Alliance - Capitalist or Communist?
POSTED BY: chronicthehedgehog
UPDATED: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:24
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Originally posted by citizen:
Q: What do you have when you are holding two little green balls in your hand.
A: Kermit's undivided attention.
But wait, frog gonads are located inside their body cavities, and those gonads are not green. . . ;)
And now back to the serious thread.
I really, really, really don't want to know how you know that...
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Originally posted by ShanYu:
"Thats sounds like the alliance, unite all the planets under one rule so everybody can be interfered with or ignored equally."
LOL, that's how I mostly feel about the U.S. government right now!
But to be fair, it's not all that bad, there are a great many great things about my country, it's just when the IRS comes a callin' to say I earned money I've never seen, then tells me they can't tell me where I got this phantom buckage, but that it's set in stone that I owe them more, or they'll take my car, house, etc, I really get to seein' my government as an 'Alliance'. And don't get me started on the corrupt FDA, FCC, or black bag CIA ops in Central America, and the like.
I think Joss was goin' for a very close parallel to our own government with the Alliance, just one that can be like the U.S. government at it's most severe, and with fewer checks and balances, fueled by corps like Blue Sun.
For a free 1000 word dissertation on the subject, please send an sase to: Chrisisall
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Quote:I thought it was much like our Civil War, with roughly half of the core and rim planets involved on each side; Mal was just in one of the ugliest front lines.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I’ve always found it hard to believe that the “rim” worlds could support an offensive against the Alliance.
And as far as the hero/criminal thing goes, check this out:
http://www.affbrainwash.com/archives/020132.php
Courtesy of embers on another thread.
I pretty much agree with it's view of our beleagured band.
Union Chrisisall
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But then not all Rim worlds are backwards...
Persephone seems fairly well developed for instance, and I think its reasonable to assume that there are other worlds as well developed as Persephone. Rim worlds are just not as well developed as the central planets. Indeed the Browncoats at least appear to be less well funded than the Alliance, as Browncoat equipment seems more ad hoc, held together by spit and a prayer, where as, on the otherhand Alliance personell seem much better equiped.
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People should realize that in a government the size of the Alliance, multiple factions and orginizations will spring up.
I agree that we are seeing the Alliance from Mal's view point. But the first episode I watched when they launched cry baby burned an impression of the Alliance in my mind. They aren't really bad guys.
They definitely don't seem to be facist nor communist. In neither social structure can a man succede on his own skills and motivation. They show in Ariel and throughout with Simon that the government is based around capitalism. I think alot of people take Mal's and the other crew's word for verbatim. Alot of what they say about the Alliance is usually exagerated simply because of their viewpoint.
There is no proof one way or the other wether it is a democratic or republic society.
Also, communism and fascism is not far away from each other on the political spectrum. They both have many of the same qualities. Both forms of government control the buisnesses that operate in their territories.
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Communism and Fascism are at polar opposite ends of the pollitical specturm...
Fascism is extreemly rightwing, and communism extreem left...
In fact communism is a socialist goverment form, where as Fascism is strictly Anti-socialist.
You seem to be confusing the fact that facism is by nature Totalitarian, and communism often breaks down into totalitarian goverments.
Something I thought about recently is the Blue gloved fella's chasing River... They wear blue gloves which indicates to me that Joss might be hinting that Blue Sun is running the show, at least from the blue gloves point of view...
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i would say capitalist. the people have some freedoms like owning there own homes and this like that.
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Originally posted by chronicthehedgehog:
I don't think this has been addressed before, but if the Alliance is a fusion of America and China, a capitalist and a communist nation, what is the Alliance? Is it one of these or has it developed a new economy based on the fusion of the two? If so, how would that work?
the alliance is neither capitalist or communist.
actually, since the alliance is corporate as government (blue sun), that would make it fascist.
one of the points of fascism is that corporate power is protected over the citizenry. in the case of blue sun, the corporation is the government.
"The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite."
"Take me, sir. Take me hard." -- Zoe
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Originally posted by browncoatfan1:
i would say capitalist. the people have some freedoms like owning there own homes and this like that.
"freedoms like owning...homes"?
you can "own a home" and have your mail tampered with, your phone tapped, your internet usage watched, your book purchases monitored by the FBI...
oops!
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