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POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Thursday, December 4, 2003 00:31
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MESSAGE TO MY OPPOSITION
"That's why it's okay for me to make fun of how fat you are."
I apologize for this comment, and for all Twinkie-related comments. It is never okay to make fun of someone for being fat. I was drunk, furious, and wounded when I wrote those words.
Let me also say that I never complained to Nia's hosting company, nor anyone else's. Nor did I threaten to.
I maintain that turning me in was extremely hypocrytical and cruel. And I stand by all of my arguments.
I'm not interested in your secret organization, with it's ancient rules, hopping from one TV show fan site to another, making artwork and giving each other high-fives for being cool.
Your rules do not apply to me. I am not in your club. I'll stay here at Fireflyfans.net until Haken kicks me out, and I hope that day never comes.
But I am truly sorry for the fat comments. I'm still thinking about the Jesus comment. Bad timing with Easter and all. Okay, I'm sorry about that, too.
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So basically, we got people with illegal video and music compilations, on illegal hosting sites, arguing with people who copied the illegal video and music compilations and illegally hosted them.
Oh. and they called the laws on each other?
I see.
I told you kids, if you play in crap 
, you come out smellin like crap.
tanstaafl
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Um from one anime fan to another- plenty of fan subbers are perfectly free to get upset after an offical US version has been released, were upon their subs go from gray to illegal.
The point here is that this subculture has existed in part because, much like fan-subbers they don't flaunt it in front of say Central Park Media? (assuming they did the US version of whatever show), some one did this with FF fan vids, folowed by everyone getting nervous and trying to make sure that their other vids were not in places easily accesable by TPTB. Succatash was politly asked to remove it from his? unprotected site, and he? did not.
Fan-subbing and viding are also in several ways compleatly different- theres not such a gray area of no cash,no us version, no fault as there is in Fan-subbing. Given that most people are espousing a system that has worked well since the 60's and mirrors international law, I would say that theyre in the right.
So far M and S havent shown themselves to be anything but, well, disgustingly rude. I personally would expect better behavior from a 16 year old, but I could have my standards set too high. You all need to grow up and start acting like adults. It does your fandom no service when you deliberatly add to fuss that's pusing fans father underground. If you want an example go look at Anne Rice fandom- she's cracked down so hard there basicly are no fanworks. Fandom opperates by rules and customs usually designed to keep the TPTB away from the questionable legality stuff. Otherwise the only vids around would be satires( satire being protected and all)
Regs
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Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
MESSAGE TO MY OPPOSITION
I'm not interested in your secret organization, with it's ancient rules, hopping from one TV show fan site to another, making artwork and giving each other high-fives for being cool.
Your rules do not apply to me. I am not in your club. I'll stay here at Fireflyfans.net until Haken kicks me out, and I hope that day never comes.
I'm sorry
You don't get it, you seem like you'll never get it, and thats sad, becasue you will continue to allienate people because of it. Its not a club hon, its fandom, its the unwritten comunal rules by which fandom stays out of the way of the officials. Fandoms that don't follow this can get squashed. There are a few fandoms where the qwner has said they don't mind fanworks, but won't look at them to avoid issues, but thats not really par for the course, and Fox goes after people for pictures, much less anything else. So distribution is a touchy subject, and traditionally, a police force being impractical, thats been left up to the creater of the fan work, it being their neck and all and their creationg, but then again you don't get that. So i'm sorry that you don't understand nor wish to make the effort, but I know that this has gone beyond FF fandom because I am not a fan, but heard about this in another fandom( as in: Can you belive this guy? He must be nuts or something) I doubt anything would have convinced me to become one, I have enough fandoms already. But ive gone from not careing to thinking that if the show goes back on, i'll be staying out of the fandom. Its like the domlijha weirdos on DataLounge- way to messed up for me.
Regs
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Reading over everything AGAIN I am really surprised about how much fanners fear the long arm of Fox. Must be crazy living like that. Now for a question:
Why doesn't the fannish community make use of p2p or server/client programs? Something that limits who can access your stuff and aboce all comes with an agreement/contract that users must agree to? Is having a webpage that important? (I can understand the oldest and best ones wanting to keep it, but as for the rest...) Is it really worth all this fear and anger? (justified or not)
well,
TTFN
PS: This is the last time I put in my 2 cents on any topic. Way to much emotion flying around!
"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger
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Well, I'd say that the most common P2P networks are about as "safe" as any web site--recent history has proven that if a copyright holder wants to track someone down, they'll do it, no matter what medium of communication is being used. Also, distribution via P2P puts an aura of illegitimacy on all files that web distribution doesn't. (And knowing people who have been subject to raids based on P2P distribution of files, I'd rather not use P2P at all. Having an ISP "above" you in the chain of things actually offers a type of protection ... the lawyers tend to use less drastic methods when dealing with a corportation than an individual. The corporation will get a gentlemanly C&D. The individual can have lawyers + cops show up at the door to seize the computers being used to transmit infringing materials.)
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There's a funny headline in today's news - "Hacker Smacks Down Madonna"
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20030421/en_music_eo
/11656
Apparantly, Madonna and her company made a bunch of fake mp3's of her new album and distributed them on P2P.
When fans downloaded the mp3, they got a message from Madonna saying, "What the F-CK are you doing?" looping over and over.
Well, a hacker posted the real mp3's of her new album on Madonna's own website, with a message saying, "This is what the F-CK I'm doing."
Pretty funny.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20030421/en_music_eo
/11656
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Quote:
Originally posted by Succatash:
MESSAGE TO MY OPPOSITION
Your rules do not apply to me. I am not in your club. I'll stay here at Fireflyfans.net until Haken kicks me out, and I hope that day never comes.
Ya know, Haken will probably not kick you out, but if you had taken a moment to read any of the messages posted here besides your own, you'd see that Haken already made his personal position clear:
(post from Haken)
But I do have 3 simple rules that I go by as far as this website is concerned.
1. If I didn't create it, it's not mine.
2. If it's not mine, I need permission.
3. If I don't have permission (because sometimes it just takes forever to get it or not able to), I have to remove the item when the person who created it asks me to.
It's just commonsense. So far things have worked out here on FIREFLYFANS.NET by following those three simple rules and I am able to operate without restrictions. It's a win-win situation, which is how things should be for all of us.
There you have it. Basic Fandom 101.
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I'm not interested in your secret organization, with it's ancient rules, hopping from one TV show fan site to another, making artwork and giving each other high-fives for being cool.
The "secret organization" you refer to is fandom. Look to me like you're in it.
And gaaaaahhhh I don't want to go over this again BUT YOU DID take Nia's vid and post it against her express wishes that you not do so. That indicates to me that you at least have a passing interest in the artwork that "the club" is producing.
And if you want them to keep producing, please don't keep cutting their legs out from under them.
Tis all.
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Quote:
Originally posted by hooobity:
And gaaaaahhhh I don't want to go over this again
Then don't.
If it's not got by now, it's not gonna get got.
Hush!
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hooobity wrote:
"Ya know, Haken will probably not kick you out, but if you had taken a moment to read any of the messages posted here besides your own, you'd see that Haken already made his personal position clear"
What are you talking about? I read his post, in fact I responded to it. Haken was not telling me, or anyone else, how to run a website. He stated his opinion and explained how he runs his own website. I agree with the way Haken runs his website. It is a very high profile site, not at all like mine was, before it got shut down.
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