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BONIBARU

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:54 AM

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Originally posted by TragicStory:
So after 100+ posts, I have new friends and realize that things are completly different on the American side of things. So this is when I apologize for my ignorance and am very glad someone had the insight to ask where I was coming from. So now that everyone is no longer mad at me I think I will go to bed.

Oh! And you are not in the US! This also explains a lot - copyright law over here is MUCH different than across the pond. (Either pond)

I have friends who host their vids on "offshore" servers so as to skirt around the RIAA, MPIAA, and other U.S. agencies that might otherwise come after them.

Sometimes we forget fandom is an international enterprise and the rules are different.

BONIBARU

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:58 AM

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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
A moments reflection on how trivial this is.

You only think it's trivial because it hasn't happened to you personally. I certainly don't find what happened to me to be trivial at all - especially since, now following what happened to Nia, I've got a phone call from my ISP as well.(Luckily, I had already taken everything down, so I didn't lose my site.)

You can always start another thread, and avoid reading this one :) I say that with respect, too, not snarkiness, just so you know.

HOOBITY

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 3:58 AM

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Originally posted by TragicStory:
So now that everyone is no longer mad at me I think I will go to bed

Hold on there.

My fandom is in shreds, and a whole HELL of a lot of Firefly fannish stuff that I enjoyed on the internet is gone for good. You contributed to that, albeit not as much as succatash and maniacnumberone and some others.

So you'll forgive me if I don't hold any parties just yet.

ELKETANZER

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:01 AM

Hello, JusticeMcNasty...

I'd not heard of the RIAA/four college students nightmare before, but I just googled for "riaa sues college students" and came up with over a thousand hits.

Looks like RIAA says they were sharing 2.5 million files on their "local area Napster networks". Scary, scary stuff.

Elke

JUSTICEMCNASTY

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:05 AM

*Hastily deletes multitude of files while whistling and has shifty eyes*

No, but thanks for the info. If anyone cares, I'm still gonna share my FF vid. It's called 'Hero' and I'm usually on Kazaa, so if you want.

Johnny H.-
"How'd you like a bite outta this green apple, America?"

HAKEN

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:08 AM

Well, probably a bit late for me to say this, but please be civil to one another when the discussions get heated.

FWIW, as someone who runs a fansite, I walk a fine line when it comes to the whole copyright issue. I'm not much of a policymaker, or follower, for that matter. But I do have 3 simple rules that I go by as far as this website is concerned.

1. If I didn't create it, it's not mine.
2. If it's not mine, I need permission.
3. If I don't have permission (because sometimes it just takes forever to get it or not able to), I have to remove the item when the person who created it asks me to.

It's just commonsense. So far things have worked out here on FIREFLYFANS.NET by following those three simple rules and I am able to operate without restrictions. It's a win-win situation, which is how things should be for all of us.

Just my thoughts.

In any case, please be civil.

Thanks,
Haken

KAYTHRYN

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:29 AM

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Posted by bonibaru:

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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
A moments reflection on how trivial this is.
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You only think it's trivial because it hasn't happened to you personally. I certainly don't find what happened to me to be trivial at all - especially since, now following what happened to Nia, I've got a phone call from my ISP as well.(Luckily, I had already taken everything down, so I didn't lose my site.)

You can always start another thread, and avoid reading this one :) I say that with respect, too, not snarkiness, just so you know.

Please tell me you're not serious.

You haven’t lost a family member, or your house, or your dog, or a limb because of this... you got a call. (I know what I just said sounded snarky, but I mean it.)

By the way, do you think that maybe it we had all minded our own business and let Nia and Manic handle this themselves like the big kids they are, maybe the rest of the vidder community wouldn’t be getting so many nasty calls?

Come on, there are so many other thing happening in the world. --I don't mean that in the sense that there are so many other things we should spend out time fretting over, but things we should enjoy.-- Silly fun things, the color blue, Sean Maher, and all things Firefly.

Really, I think we've all heard about all there is to say on this subject-- something like 130 posts from each side and a few in between. Anything we say now is just repeated from the beginning.

We get it.

Let me repeat-- 130 posts, novel length…yeah, we get it.

Now matter how much each side argues, some people are not going to change their minds. And since this topic isn't about anything that has to do with loss of limb or loss of dog, I think we can all let it go now.

Look at me here, you got me preaching to let it go and see, I’m not. Wait….now I am…poof, it’s gone.

-----I remembered another "by the way"-- I can't post a new thread for some reason...so I'm just going to start hijacking everyone else’s.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

VIV

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 4:45 AM

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Please tell me you're not serious.

You haven’t lost a family member, or your house, or your dog, or a limb because of this... you got a call. (I know what I just said sounded snarky, but I mean it.)

By the way, do you think that maybe it we had all minded our own business and let Nia and Manic handle this themselves like the big kids they are, maybe the rest of the vidder community wouldn’t be getting so many nasty calls?

Please tell me YOU'RE not serious. It's being cavalier about other people's property like this that caused the scuffle to begin with.

And this argument was NEVER just between two people, since more than one person had their vids handed over to TPTB.

I do agree that this battle has been done to death, but you certainly could have chosen a less antagonistic way of saying it. If I got a phone call from my ISP I'd be freaking out too. That's several hundred dollars down the tube if they decide you are violating their TOS. Are YOU going to replace that money, since it's really no big deal?

KAYTHRYN

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:11 AM

Aw crap. I’d just like to mention I’ve got a history paper due in a few hours so I think is going to have to be the condensed version.

I apologize if you took my words as being rude. I’m not trying to be confrontational, or mean, or disrespectful of peoples feeling and the such. I don’t know what to say that won’t be taken as sarcastic so please just read over what I had written and picture me with a happy face. Also, I don’t think your quoting did me justice, you left out the great Ethiopia part, so here I’ll quote myself-

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2.) A moments reflection on how trivial this is. (Yeah, I know everyone’s heard this one from mom-- “Think of all the starving people in Ethiopia! Do you think they care about who get to sit in that seat, if she poked you, or all those silly vid’s the neighborhood kids argue about???”)

3.) A smile. Stop gnashing your teeth and enjoy life, it ain’t that long folks…

Come on, there are so many other thing happening in the world. --I don't mean that in the sense that there are so many other things we should spend out time fretting over, but things we should enjoy.-- Silly fun things, the color blue, Sean Maher, and all things Firefly.

My main point is that this argument is not doing anything but allowing us to bicker. Why continue our angry posts when we could just let this all be handled between the vidder and the “thief” in question. And as I’ve been corrected, I don’t just mean Nia and Manic. I’m just trying to put this into perspective. I’m not saying it doesn’t matter, but I really don’t see how this is worse than losing your dog.

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If I got a phone call from my ISP I'd be freaking out too. That's several hundred dollars down the tube if they decide you are violating their TOS. Are YOU going to replace that money, since it's really no big deal?

For one, if it was a risk you were unwilling to…uh…risk then you shouldn’t of posted your work, or you should of solidly protected it somehow. Come one, I’m sure this isn’t the first time in vid history that someone downloaded some one else’s work and posted it elsewhere. It can’t be a new thing.

Secondly, no, I’m not going to pay because someone took your work that you put up. If I leave my big screen TV in my front yard for all the neighborhood kids to watch, and it gets stolen, I think I’d be my fault, and the thief. Boy, did I mention I’m bad at metaphors? I’m sure someone gets the gist of what I was shooting for there though.

P.s. Love the BIG words. Added an emphasis that was all about ME.

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle

FFWF

Tuesday, April 22, 2003 5:13 AM

I actually think that a large part of this conflict is cultural. A friend of mine once told me that most fandoms reflect the shows they like. X-Files fans tend to be paranoid. Babylon 5 fans are rather factious. And Star Trek folks more or less get along and work together well. From what I've seen of Firefly, some fans seem to think of fandom as the Old West where no rules should apply to them and they can do whatever they want.

This is more or less true. After all, we don't really have very many ways of enforcing rules so it does come down to rules of etiquette or codes of honor - most of which probably evolved primarily out of Trek.

The second cultural difference is in the way people post. LJC's post that so instantly offended Maniac to me looked like a polite, if somewhat emphatic, warning that what he was doing might be looked upon unfavorably by others. He saw the phrase "content theft" and was livid, though he did do the right thing which was to contact the vidder to get permission. When that was denied, he took it off. He grumbled about it but as far as I'm concerned, grumbling is allowed.

Unfortunately, here is where we hit cultural difference #3 - male/female. Succatash seemed to be very upset that his buddy was being picked on by a bunch of girls and felt the need to defend him. Some of the philosophical points he made might have some merit (though I don't really agree with most and don't think the others really applied to the situation.) Unfortunately, he couldn't seem to make his points without thowing out some meaningless insult. He was more or less civil to Elke until he realized she was female at which point we got the now famous "fat chicks waving their Twinkies whining, 'I've got to be me!'" I don't say this to insult him. I am simply trying to figure this out. But, I don't think Succatash is used to dealing with women. You cannot a thing to say in front of a large group of women and expect to be persuasive. (By this point, this discussion had been noticed by a lot of vidders and in case you didn't know, vidders tend to be female.) Most people know that. It is not simply an etiquette thing. It is a survival thing. It's possible that had he not used that particular turn of phrase, his site would not have been shut down so quickly (Not 100% sure of the timing, though.) It certainly cut off most of the sympathy he might have gotten afterward.

Personally, I think the website shutdown, justifiable or not, was a little premature and counterproductive. The pro-vidder types had tried appealing to his reason, manners, and compassion and failed miserably, but had not really tried diplomacy. Maybe we could have tried offering him something in exchange for taking the vid down which could have avoided the TOS war. (As a rather hawkish Conservative Republican, it's really weird to watch this argument coming off my keyboard. Sigh.)

I thank those of you on both sides of this dicussion/argument/war who have posted legal tidbits. As a paranoid, anxiety-ridden vidder myself, it is reassuring to know that some of my worst fears may be unfounded. Irrational fears, however, are not any less real to the person bearing them than rational fears are. Even if you think that Nia's fears were irrational, that does not make it OK for Succatash to torment her with them.

I have more to say but I have an appointment with my shrink in the morning and should probably be awake. I think I will stop waving my Twinkie for now, put in my mouthguard so I won't grind my teeth all night, take my Celexa and go to bed.

Goodnight.

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