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UPDATED: Thursday, December 4, 2003 00:31
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Originally posted by elketanzer:
I've read back over these two threads very carefully, and I've confirmed something I noticed before and didn't want to comment on... but now I'm thinking it ought to be said out in the open:
When you thought I was a man, you were willing to insult my intelligence. When you thought I was a woman, suddenly you began insulting my weight, my sex life, my snack foods of choice. Bottom line on that? I think you're unwilling to admit in a public forum that you might be wrong and a woman might be right. You are unwilling to admit that any women might know more about fannish culture and the production of artistic works in your favorite show's fandom than you do.
God, did you hit that one on the head. :) But more than that - these guys are trolls. Kicking back in an easy chair at home, pushing all the hot buttons
and ignoring all reason while secretly enjoying the hell out of this because this is the first time women have paid attention to them in five years.
Human nature. Heh. Wish I could squish them.
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Originally posted by TragicStory:
My background is Anime. I have done some AMV's registered at www.animemusicvideos.com, I have hosted an anime server on hotline for about 2-3 years. The Hotline Anime community is the community that I most often afiliate myself with, though I have a passing familiarity with IRC. As I have posted before, we obviously have different ways of seeing and doing things.
AHA, this explains a lot - Anime fandom is a lot free-er and looser with their vids. Any Kazaa search will tell you that - you'll see literally hundreds of Anime vids on P2P.
But non-Anime vidders have very different opinions on the matter and the Anime community has a very different set of rules and standards - the vidder egroup has had this discussion before, and it's been talked about at cons. Which are different than Anime cons, which often have huge vid contests, and thing like that. Anime is a whole different world, in many ways, from non-Anime vidding.
Now I see why we are talking in circles - we are comparing apples to oranges.
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I don't know anyone whp's been *arrested*, but I do know a vidder who hosted multiple (over 600) fannish vids on her private server, that was visited by legal representatives of the RIAA.
Well to start, 600 is an excessive number of file to host and expect to fly below the radar.
Secondly, RIAA is just proof that Satan is alive and well. BTW, did you read about the 4 college kids they are suing? Its unbelievable.
"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger
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Now I see why we are talking in circles - we are comparing apples to oranges.
Shiny! Now if you will still agree that Fox is evil, I shall promptly buy you a beer!

"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger
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My little gift to all yee who refuse to let things go-- even though the point it lost, nothing is being accomplished and your arguments are doing little more than beating the proverbial dead horse, and making the high blood pressure statistics rise.
1.) A cup of tea with honey and some quiet Mozart. I suggest the Blue Danube Waltz.
2.) A moments reflection on how trivial this is. (Yeah, I know everyone’s heard this one from mom-- “Think of all the starving people in Ethiopia! Do you think they care about who get to sit in that seat, if she poked you, or all those silly vid’s the neighborhood kids argue about???”)
3.) A smile. Stop gnashing your teeth and enjoy life, it ain’t that long folks. 
4.) A kick in the ass and a “shut the hell up already people!” 
**Minute outburst, please refer back to #3.**
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
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Originally posted by TragicStory:
Shiny! Now if you will still agree that Fox is evil, I shall promptly buy you a beer!
Well. On my Firefly vid page (now defunct, thanks to all of this and the VCD incident) I had a long explanation about the evils of Fox - how they not only cancel good shows, but are widely known to come down hard on online fans of those shows (Buffy, X-Files, to name the most recent victims). I asked people who downloaded and watched the vids please to not distribute, link to, or mirror them without my express permission, and I had my email addy right there for easy contact.
All of which was ignored, my vid was handed to Nate Fillion and very nearly handed to Joss himself, and now my vids, including Hallelujah (the FF vid) and that long "how Fox sucks" explanation, are gone.
So if you want me to agree that Fox is evil, there's not question about that. But you can keep your beer money, thanks anyway. Have one for me.
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Well, I agree that Fox is dopey for taking good shows off the air, and that they're a menace to good fun for doing what their lawyers have done to creative fans.
TragicStory, maybe we have some common ground after all. After all, I like beer, and I honestly do hate Twinkies.
Have I mentioned that I also have some experience in a couple of anime fandoms? Not with vids much, but in the online community of writers... fanfic and drawings. If you tell me that you're the vidder that created Happiness Hotel in Ranma 1/2, I'll buy you a beer.
Elke
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So after 100+ posts, I have new friends and realize that things are completly different on the American side of things. So this is when I apologize for my ignorance and am very glad someone had the insight to ask where I was coming from. So now that everyone is no longer mad at me I think I will go to bed.
BTW, if you would like a detailed account of the Hotline Anime community let me know as I wrote a rather large paper on it. (which you can do whatever you want with once you get it
)
"Societies are supported by human activity, therefore they are constantly threatened by the human facts of self-intrest and stupidity." --Peter Berger
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Originally posted by elketanzer:
Please realize that others have not had it as easy. Please read over http://www.bringers.org.uk/ for some of the horror stories.
Elke
Elke - don't forget, http://chillingeffects.org - where the whole concept of C&D letters is explained quite well, and examples are posted.
So you can see exactly what happens when TPTB come after a fan site. There are also discussions there of copyright law as it relates to fannish enterprise - many of the links bandied about in the last few days have not been fandom specific.
If nothing else, this has at least been educational, for the people willing to listen.
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What are they suing them for? (Yeah, I'm a bit behind here)
Johnny H.-
"How'd you like a bite outta this green apple, America?"
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