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Originally posted by TragicStory:
SHOW ME SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN ARRESTED FOR FANNING ANYTHING LET ALONE FIREFLY. THEN I WILL BELIEVE THAT IT IS FOR SELF PRESERVATION.

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I don't know anyone whp's been *arrested*, but I do know a vidder who hosted multiple (over 600) fannish vids on her private server, that was visited by legal representatives of the RIAA. They looked up her ISP, subpoenaed her home address, and went to her house. They ordered her to remove all materials from her website, confiscated copies of VCDs, DVDs, VHS tapes of the vids she had. That was HER property, except it wasn't, and they took it away. They left her the server that she had paid a fair sum of money for, and left her computer, but they did make her sign the Cease & Desist order so that if she ever does put anything available - either on a website, or through P2P network - she will then be arrested, pay fines, etc.

Granted this will probably not happen to a person who has one or two little vids. But I pay a couple of hundred dollars a year for my webspace -if it gets yanked away from me, I'm out that money with nothing to show for it. I may not get actually arrested, but I could be fined, and have property confiscated.

So don't tell me that I'm being overly paranoid. I DO know people that have gotten C&D letters *and* have been physically visited by lawyers.

We don't make up this stuff just to get everyone all excited, you know.

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Originally posted by TragicStory:
Here you go:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

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I find it really interesting that you posted this - especially this part:

"It's up to the owner to decide if they want the free ads or not. If they want them, they will be sure to contact you. Don't rationalize whether it hurts the owner or not, ask them. Usually that's not too hard to do. Time past, ClariNet published the very funny Dave Barry column to a large and appreciative Usenet audience for a fee, but some person didn't ask, and forwarded it to a mailing list, got caught, and the newspaper chain that employs Dave Barry pulled the column from the net, pissing off everybody who enjoyed it. Even if you can't think of how the author or owner gets hurt, think about the fact that piracy on the net hurts everybody who wants a chance to use this wonderful new technology to do more than read other people's flamewars."

Hmmm. Probably not the section you wanted to call attention to, but, effectively states what everyone here has been trying to say. Disrespecting the wishes of the artists causes art to disappear. Seems like this should not be a difficult concept to grasp.

Forget the ridiculous arguements about copyright law, blah blah ... it's not ABOUT that. It's about respecting your fellow fan - not because you are legally bound to, but because it's just good manners.

All this argument about "law" can go round and round for days (and has) and get nowhere. The point is, Do Unto Others, and all that sort of thing. Ask first, and if denied, be big about it and don't go against the wishes of your fellow fan.

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Originally posted by TragicStory:
My background is Anime. I have done some AMV's registered at www.animemusicvideos.com, I have hosted an anime server on hotline for about 2-3 years. The Hotline Anime community is the community that I most often afiliate myself with, though I have a passing familiarity with IRC. As I have posted before, we obviously have different ways of seeing and doing things.

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Ahhhh, suddenly things make sense. I've been in both anime communities and regular slash ones and things are completely different between the two.

Believe me, I have seen fandoms literally ripped from the web by The Powers That Be, and not because anyone has even given a CD to one of the actors. Sometimes, the Powers decide it has gone too far and they shut down the works.

That is what has everyone so worked up. Too much unknowing exposure can ruin an entire fandom and drive it completely underground. We don't want to have to go there, and I also suppose I just can't understand the various insults and whatnot being thrown around. Even in my anime communities, people asked me before hosting my stories and respected my wishes if I said 'No.'

It hurts to be treated so rudely and people often lash out in hurt retaliation. There are people behind these names, everyone, and we Twinkie Eating Bitches don't deserve those insults, not from someone who is supposed to be fun-loving and nice.

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TragicStory, thank you.

My intention was not to personally insult you. I apologize if I did. Honestly, I am simply very frustrated by dealing with Succatash, and I've posted so much here that has not been read by ManiacNumberOne and Succatash that I'm more inclined to assume that folks just joining in now haven't read all of my previous (and slightly calmer) posts, and are ignoring completely all of the information I and others have provided and linked to.

Anime fandom is very different from live-action US media fandom... by which I mean TV shows and movies. A vidder acquaintance of mine explained that difference to me sometime in the wee hours of Friday/Saturday, and I'm really happy that anime fandom is so much more open than media fandom.

Please believe me when I say that the copyright holders, trademark holders, and ISPs that might be involved in infringment and property rights grey areas in media fandom have a history of being much more brutal to fans and fandoms than anime copyright holders and trademark holders. The Bringers site has a relatively small number of examples, but their collection is growing as fans from more fandoms chime in.

I really am disappointed that really, all of this could have been averted had the vidders been asked ahead of time and their requests listened to. We could have all been civil and made new friends. As it is, everthing's a mess and Firefly fandom is getting a really horrible reputation among vidders, as well as some writers and other artists. That's a pity, because Firefly really is a cool show.

Elke

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