Best. Villain. Ever.
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A lot of the villains mentioned are scary, but you could still reason with them in some way or another.
The Alien, on the other hand, will eat you. If you try to fight back, it will bleed acid on you and then eat you. That scares the pants off me.
What's even more scary is that impregnants you and grows inside you and then pops out of your chest. First time I saw that in the movie theater I got up right then and walked out. Tooooooo scary.
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Wife (FixedByFaith) & I watched it this past week under a unique set of circumstances.
I had never wanted to see these. But I was listening to an "old" interview with Joss, on my mp3 player in my car, with my wife. The interview was from right when Buffy The Series was released, and a big focus of the interview was Joss's work with the Alien series. One of the questions was what did Joss think of the first Alien movie. His response, "I found God". That was enough to spark my interest in it. I figured if Joss held it in such high regard it was worth checking out.
Progress two weeks. It comes time for my 8 yr anniversery. We go to Blockbuster and want to pick a movie. We walk around & find nothing interesting, my wife says, "Let get Alien, cuz I want you to see Aliens." Yes, folks for our anniversery we watched the first two Alien movies.
Now being commentary junkies that we are we are watching all these special features, in one they are talking about the design of the "Alien" creature. The physical look was based on a series of art from this artist whose name I cannot recall right now. Anyway, during the commentary it came out that the artist was quite the opium user. He also admitted that he was quite frightened by his own work.
Wow, did I ramble.
Another thought on villians, What makes a great Villain? Is it Scary or Evil?
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So did you find it as scary as I did? I was a teenager at the time, and a girl, and I made the mistake of seeing it alone..... You get the picture.
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>>>>Another thought on villians, What makes a great Villain? Is it Scary or Evil?<<<
That's a good question. Cruella Divil is evil (making fur coats out of puppies.) The alien in "Alien" is scary.
What I like in my villians is a little comedy. That just makes them wicked fun!
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I am assuming that villain, in this context, pertains to human (or something human-like) villainy, not a monster or animal placing humans in peril. For me, the answer to this question differs depending on the type of villain you are considering... I think there's different types.
For funny, I have to go with The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight. You have a love a villain with a split personality... both of them evil! And he never talks with himself during the show... he recaps previous conversations with himself when no one is around to listen! What a hoot!
For utterly unlikable, repulsive, true evil, I have to go with Frank Booth from David Lynch's movie "Blue Velvet." Watching this guy is like eating dinner from a full toilet. I don't EVEN want to know what Dennis Hopper was channelling when he played this character.
For just plain "creeps me out," I have to go with a real dark horse, because her character hasn't been all that villainous in the series. Or even consistently villainous throughout the miniseries. But in the first episode of the 2003 Battlestar Galactica miniseries, when Number 6 leaned over and choked the life out of an infant in its crib... in what she believed was a gesture of mercy! That just sent a chill all the way to my bones. When a villain shows that kind of alienness... that's creepy. You just don't know what to expect. Then they went and made her kind of ineffective and oddly charming in the series... they squandered that villainous moment.
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Blue Velvet. I'll have to check that out. I always thought it was a porn movie. Or is it?
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Quote:That depends on the type of villain, I think. There are basically two broad types of villains, sympathetic and unsympathetic.
Originally posted by dietcoke:
>>>>Another thought on villians, What makes a great Villain? Is it Scary or Evil?<<<
When we think of villains, I think we usually think of the unsympathetic ones. These are the “Hitler-esque” and monstrous type of villains, and they run the gambit from mindless killing machines like the creatures in Aliens or the Terminator to resourceful, sinister and manipulative types like Darth Vader or Lex Luther. Most villains, particularly in genre tv, are the unsympathetic type; the sadists, the maniacs, the pure evil or unbridled killers.
But the one’s I really like are the sympathetic or “good” villains. And a good example is Laime Lanister from “A Song of Ice and Fire,” which I’m delighted to see several people have read. And the several people, who mentioned Ser Lanister, only had positive things to say about him. This is a guy who tried to murder a seven year old child by callously pushing him out of a window so that he could continue to have sex with his sister; he’s psychopathic; he loves to kill people. Yet he’s such a great guy! He’s got a good humored fearless, swashbuckling personality.
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A great villain is evil. Anything or anyone can be scary, but true evil is terrifying.
I'm sticking with my three...even though someone said they needed to be human, I'm gonna keep hal on my list.
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I don’t know why a villain needs to be human. It’s all in the context of the story, really. Technically a villain doesn’t even have to be specific or sentient. A villain can be abstracted, like in a “Farwell to Arms,” the villain is war. It just depends on how deep you want the discussion to go, or how abstract you want to get.
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A great villain is evil. Anything or anyone can be scary, but true evil is terrifying.
I'm sticking with my three...even though someone said they needed to be human, I'm gonna keep hal on my list.
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"...turn right at the corner then skip two blocks...no, SKIP, the hopping-like thing kids do...Why? Why not?"
This a fun thread. What is evil? What is Scary? Let the games contintue!
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I agree with the distinction between sympathetic and unsympathetic. Although, the distinctions in my book don't necessarily equate to likeable.
Evil can only be unsympathetic but that makes for (generally) poor viewing/reading and there is very rarely a truly evil character in anything. Life would be dull if (some of us at least) didn't want the bad guys to win occasionally. The number of times I wanted Buffy to be killed is beyond count, although I am not so sure whether that is because I like the villains or don't like Buffy!
Just as an aside Geiger is the artist behind the aliens and he was very sick - there is a famous painting whereby he painted babies bottoms being penetrated by sexual organs (male obviously). The man was very sick but strangely interesting and a very beautiful artist until you actually work out what much of it is.
extremely dimensionally transcendental
Temporarily amended to read...ALAN
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