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POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Thursday, December 4, 2003 00:31
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Then this artist should not have posted anonymous artwork for all the web to share. Nia provided no hint of her motives, she just offered the video to download. Others began sharing it, because they love Firefly.
Why the heck not? An artist doesn't and shouldn't have to give you a handout on her motivations and you don't even have to agree with her motivations or guess at them, but you do have to accept that your motivations may not be everybody's motivations. Your motivations are to expose Firefly to as many people as possible, it seems. You're wrong to assume that that is the motivation behind a vid or fanfic. This doesn't mean that Nia doesn't love Firefly, only that she may have had some other artistic intent in creating the vid.
The artwork wasn't "anonymous", it was on her website with contact info. The fact that people failed to transmit that with the file (which they shouldn't have been passing onto other domains in the first place) amounts to deleting the header on a piece of fanfic, it doesn't make it anonymous.
I'm not sure what your views on "heavier girls" have to do with anything, but if you're having trouble attracting them you might try gaining some thought and perspective and losing the word "girls." Unless of course real "women" aren't your thing.
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Are you trying to trick me? Well, it won't work.
By the way, I am really fat. I weight at least 375 lbs.
That's why it's okay for me to make fun of how fat you are.
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It's always all about you, isn't it, Succatash.
Again, I don't see what anyone's weight or sex lives has to do with the discussion or issues at hand.
Thanks very much for chiming in here, Ellabell. It's nice to see the voice of reason coming in from another angle.
Elke
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Originally posted by Succatash:
Nia, you should be ashamed. Thousandes of people won't learn about Firefly because of you.
YOU should be ashamed, at your lack of respect for other Firefly fans.
If you truly appreciated the hard work of the vidders, you would have asked their permission. It's one of the first things people learn in kindergarten - ask before you take something.
Your ISP probably has a TOS statement about not posting copyrighted material for download (mp3s, etc). You should read over the TOS that you agreed to when you started your website. If it was reported to your ISP that you had such material on your site, they would remove it.
Do you grasp the concept that this is something that vidders face daily? When we put our music videos up on the internet to share with fans, we do so at a risk to ourselves and our websites. Unless a vidder is lucky enough to own their own server, their ISP can choose to remove their vids at any time with no warning, whether a C&D letter is received from the copyright holder or not.
Legality aside, I think it's unethical, what you did. Not to mention rude. However, given the rest of your behavior that I've seen in this thread, it doesn't come as a big surprise.
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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
Unfortunately Nia, when you put together something with stolen copyrighted materials, you give up any right to ask people what they can and cannot do with it.
The "tradition" you speak of, does not apply to your vids or this situation.
Sorry, but that's asinine - to say that common courtesy isn't necessary because vidders "stole" their material. I haven't read anything so ridiculous in my life. Fanfiction is more original? Please. Recycled plots and stolen characters aren't any more protected than vidding when it comes to copyright law and C&D letters. Why do you think fanfiction.net has removed certain authors from their site? Why have Anne Rice ff writers been forced underground?
The more I read on this issue from people who obviously don't appreciate the feelings of the vidders involved, the happier I am that I have taken my vids down. From now on I will share them only with a few close people who feel the same way that I do.
When a vidder takes the risk of putting a video up on the internet, they do so with the hope that the fans who download and share the video take some responsibility for helping protect them - by not handing the video out to people associated with the shows, by not advertising the videos in places where it might be at increased risk of being noticed by those people.
It comes down to a basic sense of respect for a fellow fan. I'm seeing a sad lack of it from this community.
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Originally posted by Philomel:
I mean, misunderstandings happen, and even in cases where an author gave permission to the archivist and later changed his/her mind--the same principle should still apply. And, honestly, most fandoms I think work on this premise, which is why people bother distributing their fanworks on the net--or else why wouldn't they just distribute it privately, or go play in another fandom that treated them better? For the archivist to simply say they didn't care--well, I had always just assumed basic rules of courtesy still applied between ourselves--especially in this fandom, where our clarion cry has been how badly we've been screwed by the Powers That Be.
Phil this was a very mature, well thought out post. I agree with everything that you said. For any many years, vidders just gave copies of their vids to a few friends, showed them at conventions, etc. The audience was limited. Vids and vidding have been around since the first fan bought two VCRs and dubbed a song to clips from their favorite shows - a couple of decades or more.
The internet and digital vidding programs gave us the opportunity to share those vids with an even wider audience (although the compression quality is not nearly as good as watching nice, clear, big footage on your TV from a VHS vid). Vidders so far have been extremely cautious in sharing their vids online - not only because they could lose their websites at any time, if their ISPs find out, but also because there is always a risk of someone disrespecting their wishes regarding the distribution of their work.
I'm stunned that there are Browncoats who, on the one hand say that FF fans are a big happy family and everyone sticks together, but two minutes later turn on their fellow fans, call them names, and show no consideration for their feelings and wishes.
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Originally posted by SilviaKundera:
Because word travels fast on the net, and already people are expressing worry about sharing with Firefly fans the things they produce. I know that I personally no longer feel comfortable sharing any Firefly vids that I may make. I don't know at this point if I'll ever post any online, or write any Firefly fanfiction.
If you alienate the people who go about creating these things you love... you won't have any more. It's not terribly complicated logic.
I know, silvia, that we talked about this last night. I have a new Firefly vid sitting on my hard drive, a Mal-centric vid, and I'm not planning to post it. I know that youhave one in the works and that Sheila has finished a new vid, and neither of you are very anxious to post them now.
This kind of thing happens all the time with fanfiction, but I thought vids might be not subject to it because of the bandwidth issues, for one thing. Sites can get knocked offline pretty quickly for using up their monthly bandwidth in an hour or less.
Maybe in the future I'll put the new vid out for wider distribution, but right now I've lost my sense of trust that I used to have for some of the people I was sharing with. To know that my feelings would not be respected doesn't make me feel very much like sharing.
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Originally posted by Succatash:
You have successfully denied me a way to increase the number of Firefly fans.
No, you have successfully discouraged new fans from participating in the fandom, since it's evident fannish works will not be respected or protected by you. Give me one good reason why I should leave my current fandom (where I have a reasonable expectation that other fans will not take it upon themselves to appropriate my work,) to come to this one, where at least one fan feels that sort of behavior is not only fair, but right.
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I have a great idea to settle this whole thing.
How about if just I contact Joss Whedon, Fox and/or Mutant Enemy, and ask THEM, if it would be alright to use THEIR copyrighted material?
I would be happy to tell them who appropriated their video footage, without their permission, and decided to cut it up and claim the right to distribute it as their own.
I am serious now people. I need just one more high-minded person giving Succatash crap for that project to take off.
So please, keep it up if you want to see Nia in jail.
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Originally posted by ManiacNumberOne:
I would be happy to tell them who appropriated their video footage, without their permission, and decided to cut it up and claim the right to distribute it as their own.
Very mature of you. Obviously you and Sucktastic are cut from the same cloth.
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