Firefly Music Videos - Download Now
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Thursday, December 4, 2003 00:31
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Firefly Music Videos - Click Below
http://www.strangefinger.com/firefly.html
Well, I got tired of the ridiculous copyright squabble on the other thread and posted some public domain Firefly music videos on my own website. Everyone, knock yer selves out!
Please email me if you experience trouble downloading: info@strangefinger.com
Have a nice day.
P.S. Special thanks to Nia and Kelly for their great work!
http://www.strangefinger.com/firefly.html
- Succatash
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That "Tailspin" vid is downloading "0 bytes in 1 second."
Not ruled out a problem on my end but I thought you should know.
Cos you're cool.
Sarah
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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Those were pretty awesome... especially the River one.
But they make me miss Firefly all the more.
*sigh*
--Dylan Palmer, Pretentious Bastard at Large--
"Oh my god, I'm a hack!" - Joss Whedon
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All the links should be working now...
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Originally posted by Novagrass:
Those were pretty awesome... especially the River one.
Yes, the River video is amazing -- the clips work perfectly with the music and lyrics!
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Succotash, I'm going to request that two of my vids that you have on your domain (Tailspin and Girl with a Gun) be taken down, as much for my protection as for your own. As I was not contacted and asked for permission about hosting either of these vids, I would strongly suggest that you email Kelly and ask her if she wants her vid mirrored if you haven't already.
Can I do anything to enforce these requests? No, not at all. But I'm going to explain why I'm making them. I understand that you likely feel you have "solved" what you consider a pointless squabble by putting credits on the site, which I appreciate, but the issue of credit is only one part of the equation.
The fact is, the issue of copyright is *not* pointless, and has some important ramifications for vids. Something being available for free on the Internet does NOT make it public domain. Vidders use the intellectual property of others (video footage and music) to form new, unique creative output. Technically, this is indeed a current violation of copyright laws, although it is not done to infringe or make profit. Making vids at all, let alone sharing them online, is a legal risk that vidders take in order to enjoy vidding and sometimes to share vids with the community. When a vidder hosts a vid on her own domain, she is taking a legal risk. When *you mirror her vid on your domain*, you are taking a legal risk as well.
That said, a vid *is* unique creative output, much like fanfiction. A vid can take hundreds upon hundreds of hours to create, it can tell its own story, it can inspire emotions in others. The vidder therefore has traditionally in fandom been accorded the right to determine *where* the vid is distributed and the right to accept credit for her own work -- or, if she wishes to refuse it, to make it anonymous. She should be given choices about both distribution and credit. It's a simple process: you want to place a vid on your website that you didn't make (which means that you're willing to accept the risk of having your website shut down, receiving a C&D letter, etc.), you ask the vidder. If she says yes, you ask how she wants to be credited. If she says no, you don't do it, because it's considered her right to refuse. There are many, many reasons why a vidder may say no to mirroring, and most of them have nothing to do with being arbitrarily mean. Quite the contrary, a vidder may also be very adamant about not having anyone else take the fall if Fox or a record label sends out C&Ds, she may want to keep her vids in one place to control distribution because she plans on recutting them, she may simply want to know how much traffic they get or control access.
If you don't know who the vid is by or can't find contact information for the vidder? In both cases, the burden is on you, the person wishing to distribute the vid. It's not the vidder's responsibility to keep vidder and contact information attached to the vid when it gets distributed without her permission. In fact, given the shaky legal ground of vidding, some vidders PURPOSELY do not place explicit author info in their actual vid files. But when you go beyond saying to your friend, "Hey, here's this interesting file!" when you get into distributing to tens or hundreds of other people via your website, you owe it to the vidder to track her down and get her permission or not to use the file at all.
So what's a webmaster to do when there's no info? In this case, ask. Ask, ask, ask. You're *in* a fan forum. It took a very, very short time for someone who knew of me to pass by this forum when Maniac had my vid up uncredited -- if he had posted a message saying "Does anyone know who authored a vid to song X about River?" I'm sure that he would have gotten a response, because clearly several people who frequent this forum knew who the author was. I *posted* in this forum and you then placed my vid on your domain without my permission, in a situation where contacting me and asking would have obviously been quite easy. I understand that some of these issues
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Unfortunately Nia, when you put together something with stolen copyrighted materials, you give up any right to ask people what they can and cannot do with it. Everyone touching it is liable, except Joss and Mutant Enemy and Fox, and whoever wrote the song. Did you bother to ask them? I don't think so.
The "tradition" you speak of, does not apply to your vids or this situation. If someone creates something beautiful and original (such as writing a fanfic) they have the right of the tradition you spoke of, but honor among thieves is very shaky ground.
Once again, let me restate it, because you have probably forgotten it by now...anything you may ask people to do with (or not do with) those vids is pointless because the materials you made them with were stolen.
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I'm not going to even debate songvids versus fanfic in terms of merit -- obviously *you* liked the vid enough to put it up on your site.
And in terms of what is, yes, content theft, I can go to the ISP of anyone mirroring my vid without consent and deal with it that way. I have chosen not to do this straightaway but rather to explain myself and give Succatash a chance to respond because I *do* believe in fan courtesy.
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Nia wrote:
Succotash, I'm going to request that two of my vids that you have on your domain (Tailspin and Girl with a Gun) be taken down, as much for my protection as for your own.
No one can get in trouble for posting a fan-made Firefly music video. Spare me the bullshit. This is about your ego, and mine. Also, Maniac's and LJC's.
That said, why don't you take your self-important video-making ass over to my survey?
http://www.strangefinger.com/firefly
Browncoats can now vote whether or not I should remove the files.
On a side note, I will happily remove the name "Nia" from StrangeFinger.com. I wouldn't want "Nia" to get into trouble, though I don't see how she could.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Nia:
I'm not going to even debate songvids versus fanfic in terms of merit -- obviously *you* liked the vid enough to put it up on your site.
And in terms of what is, yes, content theft, I can go to the ISP of anyone mirroring my vid without consent and deal with it that way. I have chosen not to do this straightaway but rather to explain myself and give Succatash a chance to respond because I *do* believe in fan courtesy.
I notice that you didn't resond to a single thing I wrote above, Nia. Are you dense enough to think I was debating video versus fanfic? No, I was not. I was debating original work versus stolen. Pay attention. Except on the off chance that all you can do is change the subject
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Who's winning?
I can't really tell, they don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.
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