American Hiroshima: yes to if, no to when

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PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:40 AM

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:40 AM

orginally posted by signym

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However, I also think it's realistic- even preferable- to talk about what we should do IF it should happen, even if that involves doing NOTHING except act in response mode (medical treatment, decontamination etc.) It's like any emergency -

actually I think this is a good idea, its too bad our government thinks the American people are to stupid to to discuss this issue in a rational matter.

It would be nice to talk realistically about what we should do in an emergency when a bomb is dropped on us. I'm sure the reality of the matter is that most people in the areas directly hit, there is probably not much help for them put for people in the our laying areas are probably not a lost cause, we should know how this is going to effect us

so do you have any ideas!!

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:55 AM

orginally posted by Finn Mac Cumhal

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The problem is that Islamic Terrorism, unlike Nazism or Fascism or Japanese Imperialism, is a product of a culture that is unconfined to any region or group of states (even though certain states and regions are obviously more heavily infected with this culture). Most of the terrorist in the London attack were British citizens born in Britain. Nuclear weapons are weapons against states, not cultures, and as such they are very ineffective as an offensive tool in the war on terror. In order to attack Islamic Terrorism, one must attack the culture that breeds it.

but that is what a terrorist is, thats why bombing a country in retaliation to a terrorist act is not only a terrorist act itself but also madness, the reason why such action is ineffective against terrorist, is because the very act of terrorism and violenc only begets and encourages and intensifies more of the same behavior.

attacking the culture isn't the answer, just for the simple fact that anyone can be a terrorist, you could be a terrorist, all you need is a cause an the will to go out and commit a terrorist act, acts of vilolence and forced policy is what is breeding more terrorist, not the culture.

Look at Ireland... look right here in our own yard at the oaklahoma bombings Tim McVie...what culture bred them...Culture is not the problem..!!

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Now if you really want to strike fear into the heart of Islamic terrorists, then turn Iraq into a liberal democracy. That will do far more damage to Islamic Terrorism then nuking Mecca.

wow this comment is as condesending as ever, I don't say that to be crass, but only to point out that this is the kind of attitude thats hurting us.

Has Iraq ever in its long histroy ever had a liberal democracy, as the founding father of high Civilzation has Iraq ever..
(I'm not even sure at this point if we have a democracy}

do they even want that type of goverment???

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:11 AM

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In the short-term I'd say no. The US does not have a large enough radical Muslim population to do that internally (though one well-connected radical Islamist could prove me wrong).

so many assume that its going to be middle eastern arabic people that we have to watch out for, but I give the terrorist more credit then that!!...less we forget we live in a country were for the right price their are higher ups that would sell there mom for the right price..

I suspect that the terrorist will probably recruit people of european= Russian an eastern european an probably asian decent to carry out these acts , most middle eastern Islamic people are under alot of scruity, both here an abroad.

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:21 AM

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But on a point of historical correctness, the US military has in the past deliberately targeted non-combatants (Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki). Perhaps not recently, but it is not without precedent. I would hope that we don't follow that precedent.

and that is precisely why its laughable for us to even claim a moral high ground.... Its really time for us to get our heads out of our arses and be honest..we aren't fooling anyone but ourselves!!!

PIRATEJENNY

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:43 AM

orginally posted by Hero~!!

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Its not madness, its MAD'ness. Mutual Assured Destruction. Sounds wacky but that little idea kept the peace for what? Over fifty years. That and other ideas thought by liberals to be sure fire recipes for global destruction.

MAD, collective security, engagement, containment, cowboy diplomacy, military buildups...basically anything we tried that worked was opposed at some point by the liberals at some point or another.

Of course Zero!! oops I meant Hero,( excuse the pun I was trying to be funny I'm sure you can appreciate that)... how could I forget, with you it always comes down to the Liberals

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No. I'm advocating the catching, killing, incarcerating or otherwise neutralizing thousands of people. The ones I want are not innocent.

Thats the the biggest disagreement we seem to have. You seem to think these people are innocent. They are terrorists and their victims are not just the dead and injured innocents in London, New York, Bagdad, and Isreal, its their own people who.

as long as you realize Hero, ... you have to realize that you are not innocent..we are not innocent, you see it as black and white..you see the united States as rightious and yourself as innocent..you aren't we arent...I know this is a very hard concept for you..but why don't you try to see yourself as a human being first...and an American 2nd..

you and I and the rest of us are no more innocent,then the people in Iraq, Iran, or anyother middle eastern country, when we support the terrorist acts of our own government what makes us any diffrent from those people who support the acts of terrorist!!

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It is you who are seeking to seek an accomidation with those who murder innocents. And this dialogue of right and wrong has no place until the war is won.

won???? what is there to win, when this is a war that can't be won, not witht he way its being fought, remember terrorist acts only brings more terrorist acts!!!

HERO

Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:06 PM

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Of course Zero!! oops I meant Hero,( excuse the pun I was trying to be funny I'm sure you can appreciate that)... how could I forget, with you it always comes down to the Liberals

I do appreciate that. But you don't need to go for the cheap name calling bit. Just post your ideas...

As for liberals, its all about history. Liberals were sure Ronald Reagan was going to cause a nuclear war. They were certain that appeasment was the answer to Hitler and the Soviets. They knew with absolute certainty that America was destined to lose the Cold War. They knew that no good could come from money shot into a space program, that cutting taxes would ruin the economy, that stopping the building of power plants and drilling for oil was good for America. The list goes on. And on. And on. Matter of fact, list every major scientifc, economic, political, and social evolution of the last 60 years and you'll find that the liberal leaders, especially in the US Senate and capitals of Europe, stood against them.

Now make no mistake. Liberals have good points. I believe no one defines a problem or issue better then liberals. But they can't solve them. Likewise conservatives have great difficulty conceiving of most problems until they make themselves manifest (like 9/11). But they are the best at solving those problems. Seems to me what we need are both, like conservative democrats from Georgia or maybe compassionate conservatives from Texas.

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as long as you realize Hero, ... you have to realize that you are not innocent..we are not innocent, you see it as black and white..you see the united States as rightious and yourself as innocent..you aren't we arent...I know this is a very hard concept for you..but why don't you try to see yourself as a human being first...and an American 2nd..

If I'm guilty, what then am I guilty of? I woke up in this land called America in a house built by the sweat of my father and struck out to make my fortune. I worked my way through college and law school and now I'm guilty of some crime.

Meanwhile some Jihadist is out there chopping the heads off my friends and neighbors who so dutifully volunteered to go in my place to fight for liberty and freedom, and he's the one who needs understanding and compromise.

A great man once noted that 'in the beginning all the world was America'. I am an American first, last and always to the day I die or they kill me. Fact is what these Islamafascists are doing would be as wrong in Ohio as it is in Iraq or anywhere else. We have to fight that wrong.

And what was our big crimes? We set foot on their land, invited, to defend them from an aggressive neighbor. Our women are not slaves. We let Jews live. We succeed where others fail. We are in front, the leader of a free world. We choose our own leaders by Democratic process. We suffer the rule of law and strive for justice and equity. We show mercy and restraint to our enemies. We allow internal disagreement. We encourage free expression. We help those in need. We want a better life for our children. We have made our land the envy of the entire world. All races, cultures, creeds, and religons are welcome here. We are proud of the legacy our father's gave us: liberty, prosperity, democracy, and the duty to safeguard it for ourselves, our posterity, and the world.

Guilty as charged.

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when we support the terrorist acts of our own government what makes us any diffrent from those people who support the acts of terrorist!!

If you are asking that question then no one has killed you for holding a dissenting opinion. I think that is where you should start looking for your answer. No one has killed you for thinking your thoughts and speaking your mind. If someone from the American government does show up and kill you...I'll concede your point.

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won???? what is there to win, when this is a war that can't be won, not witht he way

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