Video US helicopter guns down farmers

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CHRISISALL

Friday, July 15, 2005 10:22 PM

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And that leads me to ask again, Don't they like you?????
Aside from personal sniping, was there any reason to include and repeat this question?

On a psychological level he's repeating the question because he has subconcious feelings that his superiors didn't like him, and is trying to make a human connection on that basis.

Psych 101 Stony Brook, NY Chrisisall

GINOBIFFARONI

Saturday, July 16, 2005 12:10 AM

You didn't answer this question ?

" Still not convinced, besides advance to contact is what the infantry does... or do you think that they should only move after rockets and artillery blast any possible danger ? "

I assume by your post, the answer is yes. So my follow up would be, if by your actions ( valid, unvalid, doesn't really matter ) you further alienate the people who live in the country you are trying to occupy... how the hell do you expect to win ?

There has been many Vietnam comparisions out there, but I think the only valid one is the US military is going to succeed tacticaly, I mean really how can they not with all the technolgy and firepower anyone could dream of, but eventually as the bodies pile up, and the locals begin to hate Americans more and more ( the fault of your government, and the upper end of the command structure, not the troops ) one day you will be gone. Maybe the local puppets you put into place can hold it together, or maybe you'll have Iran in 79.

Of course, some of the puppets may be hedging their bets for the day this comes around

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4659287.stm

So, when we look back. What was it all worth

Haliburton makes a couple of billion ?

When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

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GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, July 24, 2005 1:24 AM

Now it seems the police in London have taken to using these exact tactics

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm

Perhaps this is a positive step, I mean after all... if the police in Britian and the US act towards the people at home with the same reguard their troops, and their allies act towards people abroad, maybe we can put an end to both tragedys.

When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
My training tells me that in this situation, you advance to contact, secure the area. Then determine the facts. Mind you the US has a completely different doctrine on the use of supporting arms than the British/Canadian one,

Canadian one!!

Oh you were serious.

I’ve done work for the British military, and frankly I don’t think you know what the hell your talking about.

This whole thread is a joke. It was started by an anti-American hack to accuse the US of war crimes they never committed based on 20 seconds of indistinct footage from an old altered video that has probably been discredited a dozen times already. It amazes me that anybody takes these people seriously.

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GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:04 AM

I was about to argue with you, but that would really be pointless wouldn't it

Any of your posts alway has your opinion, and everyone else not knowing a damn thing....

Really it is no wonder people around the world want to shoot / bomb Americans. There is just no point in talking to you.

Well, the loud ugly Americans anyway. Too bad some of the others get caught up in it as well.

When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

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GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:14 AM

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8842.htm

Trigger-happy US troops ' will keep us in Iraq for years'

By Sean Rayment

05/15/05 "The Telegraph" - - British defence chiefs have warned United States military commanders in Iraq to change their rules for opening fire or face becoming bogged down in a terrorist war for a decade or more.

The Telegraph has learnt that the warning was issued last month in response to a series of incidents that led to the deaths of Iraqi civilians, mainly at checkpoints, after soldiers opened fire in the mistaken belief that they were being attacked by suicide bombers.

The warning is said to have taken the form of advice from senior officers who accompanied Gen Sir Mike Jackson, the chief of the General Staff, on a recent trip to southern Iraq and Baghdad to visit British troops.

A conversation took place between officers on the differences between British and American rules of engagement, during which British commanders expressed their concerns over the use of US tactics.

They attempted to explain that in their experience of post-war counter-insurgency operations it paid to adopt a low-key and less aggressive stance.

American officers were told that when the British Army had made mistakes, such as in Londonderry in Northern Ireland in 1972 when troops shot dead 13 civilians during a civil rights march, the political and military consequences had been disastrous.

In the past month alone in Iraq there have been more than 130 car bombings and 67 suicide attacks that have killed more than 400 people. The attacks have led to renewed fears among coalition officials that American and Iraqi forces are losing the fight against the insurgency.

According to senior British officers, US military operations are typified by "force protection" - the protection of troops at all costs - that allows American troops to open fire, using whatever means available, if they believe that their lives are under threat.

By contrast, the British military has a graduated response to a threat and its rules of engagement are based on the principle of minimum force. Troops also have to justify their actions in post-operation reports that are reviewed by the Royal Military Police, and any discrepancy can lead to charges including murder.

A British officer said that some of the tactics employed by American forces would not be approved by British commanders.

The officer said: "US troops have the attitude of shoot first and ask questions later. They simply won't take any risk.

"It has been explained to US commanders that we made mistakes in Northern Ireland, namely Bloody Sunday, and paid the price.

"I explained that their tactics were alienating the civil population and could lengthen the insurgency by a decade. Unfortunately, when we ex-plained our rules of engagement which are based around the principle of minimum force, the US troops just laughed."

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RUE

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:19 AM

Gino,

You will find that Finn is not serious about any topic. This is a game.

He takes a contrary opinion (AIDS, global warming, colonial rule, ROE), finds or more generally makes up a very small set of facts (sometimes just one) to support his opinion, then attacks people personally to try to keep them engaged in his game.

He needs it to feel superior.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

GINOBIFFARONI

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:23 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Gino,

You will find that Finn is not serious about any topic. This is a game.

He takes a contrary opinion (AIDS, global warming, colonial rule, ROE), finds or more generally makes up a very small set of facts (sometimes just one) to support his opinion, then attacks people personally to try to keep them engaged in his game.

He needs it to feel superior.

Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

Perhaps Bush should find him an appointment into your government.... sounds alot like the way they try to operate... And I would point to that as the main problem.

Thanks Rue

When my eloquence escapes you
My logic ties you up and rapes you

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FINN MAC CUMHAL

Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:33 AM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
I was about to argue with you, but that would really be pointless wouldn't it

Probably.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Really it is no wonder people around the world want to shoot / bomb Americans.

Do I need to say any more?

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SIGNYM

Sunday, July 24, 2005 5:16 AM

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You will find that Finn is not serious about any topic. This is a game.

He takes a contrary opinion (AIDS, global warming, colonial rule, ROE), finds or more generally makes up a very small set of facts (sometimes just one) to support his opinion, then attacks people personally to try to keep them engaged in his game.

In other words, a troll?

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