American Hiroshima: yes to if, no to when

POSTED BY: HKCavalier
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HERO

Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:21 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
It doesn't necessarily follow that their nuclear strike should be followed by us matching them in that particular manner. Why not, say, take over Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kuwait?

Good point. So one little jury rigged bomb by them means we should respond with many of the most sophisticated bombs ever made and simply destory their ability to make war. Perhaps with neutron bombs so we can still get the oil and use the infrastructure. Then we colonize and settle the vacant oil-rich lands in a modern day gold rush and herd the surviving arabs onto reservations, somewher out of the way, like the Arabian dessert or Sinai.

The very idea makes me feel all tingly. Evil tingly that is. (Insert evil laugh here.)

H

CITIZEN

Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:24 PM

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I wonder if a British nuclear bomb is really more cultured then an American bomb or if it just has a snooty accent and attitude.

Just like all British citizens our nuclear weapons are terribly reserved and would appologise profusely before wiping out the city/population that they are targeted against. They stop for tea and scones at 11:00 on the lawn followed by crochet, and they are all launched from castles. They also shout tally-ho or chocks away before being launched.

Not like the American oversized ineffectual foolish bombs that simply lull around foriegn cities saying "isn't this quaint?".

:p {sorry couldn't resist...}

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

CITIZEN

Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:28 PM

Anyone been in london today, i've only heard bits and pieces, and where i was the only indication anything happened at all was the police launches tearing up the thames at full throttle instead of their ussual slow sedate pace.

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, July 21, 2005 6:33 PM

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Originally posted by Hero:
Also, destruction of Mecca given the right conditions and precedants could deliver a great psychological blow to Islam.

Yeah. No kidding. Too bad Islam is not the enemy. Ach, the blithe inhumanity of your posts never fails to make me shudder, Hero.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

(Edited for clarity and to move away from the ad hominem trap. Sorry, Hero, IRL I'm sure you're a pretty decent man with excellent taste in television

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BARNSTORMER

Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:04 PM

I don't think the extremists really care about Mecca.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/03/attack/main556716.shtml

They may not care but I would bet they would'nt mind at all if the "infidels" nuked the place, they would just use the act as propoganda to incite more to join the Jihad. After all, REAL devout Muslims would be inscensed by the act.

You can't honestly believe that if they thought Mecca would be destroyed in retaliation that they would be anywhere near the place would you?

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

BARNSTORMER

Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:09 PM

Oh, forgot to add.

The Islamic RELIGION is NOT the problem.

Islam does not murder people, people murder people.

(A little tongue in cheek, but true I think)

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

SIGNYM

Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:43 PM

Nuking Mecca or Medina or any other city in the Middle East that you care to name would not either kill or frighten the people responsible (ie terrorists), but it sure would kill a lot of innocent people. Is that where we want to go?

In any case, from a practical standpoint the question isn't how to get rid of terrorists bc a killed terrorist is just another name for martyr. The question is how to get rid of terrorism, which a lot more complicated question, even if you limit it to terrorism aimed at US interests and not Israel.

There is no question that many governments in the Mideast foster- or at least ignore- the presence of terrorists in their midst. One of the worst offenders was not Saudi Arabia but Pakistan, which funded the Taliban directly through its Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Aside from the threat of being nuked (which is not something we should be bluffing about because sooner or later someone will call that bluff) what kind of pressure can we bring to bear on the governments in the region to reduce the reliance on terrorism to achieve political goals?

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
IB, IB, no, that's exactly what it does mean. Your "old college try" only exasorbates the problem you're trying to fix. Killing terrorist will never stop terrorism. Ever. Terrorism feeds on what you advocate. Much as you may prefer a straight fight, a straight fight is not possible. You gotta wrap your head around this, we all do. There's an old Chinese saying: if we do not change direction, we will end up where we're headed.

HKCavalier

I'm going to ride right on past the part where I get pissed off at your condescension and just get on with the thing...

My argument is simply this: 1) They will attack if we do nothing, 2) They will attack if we do something. 3) Doing something is better than doing nothing.

Your counter argument (for brevity's sake) is that the point isn't doing /nothing/ it's doing nothing that will provoke them, i.e. military action. So let's review the strategies that have been employed thus far.

Pres. Clinton tried to ignore the threat away, and that hasn't worked. Pres. Bush has tried to conventional-war the threat away and that hasn't worked either.

What we have not yet tried is talking the threat away. This is sort of in the left-wing vein that "this war represents a failure to communicate" or some such, or "if we could only talk with them we'd find we have more in common than not". That's ridiculous. The terrorists have no interest in getting to know us better. They simply want to exterminate us. Again, there's no reasoning with that.

I'm not proposing more invasions. I'm proposing that we find their hidey-holes, crawl down inside, and pop those mother

ers in the forehead.

BTW, HK, you keep saying I don't get it. Please enlighten me on your 5-point plan for eliminating terrorism. It's easy to say, "That's broke" but it's another matter to fix it.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:09 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Quote:
I wonder if a British nuclear bomb is really more cultured then an American bomb or if it just has a snooty accent and attitude.

Just like all British citizens our nuclear weapons are terribly reserved and would appologise profusely before wiping out the city/population that they are targeted against. They stop for tea and scones at 11:00 on the lawn followed by crochet, and they are all launched from castles. They also shout tally-ho or chocks away before being launched.

Not like the American oversized ineffectual foolish bombs that simply lull around foriegn cities saying "isn't this quaint?".

:p {sorry couldn't resist...}

A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank her.
--W.C. Fields

Funniest. Ever.

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I wish I had a magical wish-granting plank.

HERO

Thursday, July 21, 2005 8:23 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Ach, the blithe inhumanity of your posts never fails to make me shudder, Hero.

...Sorry, Hero, IRL I'm sure you're a pretty decent man with excellent taste in television)

Strange. I took the first comment as a compliment.

I've always considered myself both a decent man and capable of blithe inhumanity. I consider myself a Renaissance Man after all.

And my taste in television is really very good. I could go pro...

H

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