Harry Potter and the HBP (Spoilers)
POSTED BY: airylli
UPDATED: Friday, September 2, 2005 08:21
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Dru: I really agree w/you...in fact since both Snape & Dumbledor were experts at Legilimency they could have cooked it up right there while they were looking at each other...
and I was convinced that Dumbledor was really dead Saturday when I read about it ... but the more I've thought about it, the more I've thought:
it is so weird.
Weird that Snape moved the body after he killed him.
Weird that no one else went to prepare the body for burial except Hagrid.
Weird in ways that made me go hmmmm
I think JKR made it weird on purpose ... and I can only think of two reasons:
#1 Dumbledor is not really dead but did what he suggested the Malfoys could do; fake their deaths to fool Voldemort.
#2 Dumbledor is really dead but JKR wants to make it a little confusing so people like me will discuss it and wonder about it for the next two years or so.
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REFLEXIVE: Didn't necessarily meant that Harry died in the end (although we have to admit that's always a possibility), but that Harry will take a protective posture to win.
Even if all the horcruxes are destroyed, Harry still needs to BEAT Voldemort, and he's really just not as good as ol' Tom Riddle. I think that, in the end, he'll need love/protectiveness to help balance the scales. Could be love of friends, love of Ginny, love of Dumbledore, or even love of family (wouldn't it be a kick in the head if the Dursleys play a part?), but given what we've seen in book 6, my money is on Ginny.
I see it almost like Return of the Jedi: Luke is losing to Vader, but when Vader threatens Leia (albeit indirectly), Luke's protectiveness of his sister gives him the oomph he needs to fight back.
Dunno; We'll know it all eventually! :)
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I read a theory elsewhere that it's actually Ron & Hermione's love that saves the day - after Harry has been killed.
But I'd rather not think about that...
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What if it's not Dumbledore that died... but Snape. Because... they switched minds at the last moment. All of Snape's last comments to Harry as he was escaping were lessons... and Snape never really taught Harry anything. But Dumbledore did.
Hmmmm....
I think whether or not Dumbledore is dead depends on the nature of pictures in the Potter 'Verse. I don't recall any portraits of living people being as forthcoming with comments as those of the dead... are they only very vocal when their subjects are no more? If so, a talkative Dumbledore portrait would be an indicator.
"My God - you're like a trained ape. Without the training."
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Actually, I think Harry has to live, because if he dies, Voldemort will still win in some form, and I think after 7 books, Rowling wouldn't do that to us. The prophecy also indicates only one would die.
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Ok, I am sticking my neck on the block here but these are my predictions for the final installment, inspired in part by this the posts on this thread:
Harry/Neville - one of them will die. I still think Neville has something to do with the prophecy even after Dumbledore's speeches. Perhaps his speeches were meant because he knew Neville might be the one meant to fight Voldemort in the end but he doesn't have the strength and so he gives Harry the 'a prophecy only comes true when you know it' speel.
Ron/Hermione/Ginny - all will live and end up happily ever after
Dumbledore - Obi-Wan then death
Sirius - he is so coming back. Nobody has ever said what happens behind the veil, only that they don't come back - a nonsense excuse if ever I heard one
Petunia - is a witch, I reckon she will redeem herself in the end by showing her powers. She probably isn't very good and dropped out - a bit like Hagrid I reckon. One of the Dursleys will die, possibly all of them so that the love of his friends (and/or Sirius) can take over
Snape/Malfoy/Narcissa - all will live and be redeemed
Lucius - dead as a door-knob
Arthur - dead
Percy - redeemed
All other Weasleys - live
Luna - live and join the 'inner circle'. If Neville lives they will end up together (annoyingly - it should be Harry/Luna)
Hagrid - still undecided, I think he may die, either that or marry Madame Maxime
Until this book I thought more people would die but now I think JK will chicken out and only have 2 or 3 good guys die at the most. Not even members of the order will die they will all end up happy-ever-after.
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Been thinking about this a lot have you Em?
It's funny - let's face it, Harry can be a real sulky brat (OK, I would be too faced with what he's been through) but I can't face the thought of him dying.
I thought Neville was headed for a greater role, but his sidelining in Book 6 makes me wonder...
Hey - maybe a reformed Draco could kill Lucius....
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Draco kill his dad? Hmmmmmm, don't think so.
JK has said that Neville is due for a larger role but she said that before book 6 was published so...
Oh, and, yes Fray I have been thinking about this a teency weensy bit 
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I quite enjoyed this book, but the lack of plot, and number of romantic storylines, just were a waste of time really.
Dumbledore's death was stupid. There was no reason for JK to do that
Mal: "We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so...very...pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."
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My theory is that Snape is on the side of good and Dumbledore is still alive.
In book 1(page 138) Snape talks about The Draught of Living Death- a sleeping potion so powerful it's know as the Draught of Living Death and he also mentions Bezoar that will save you from most potions. In Book 6(page 188) the Draught of Living Death is again mentioned.
I think Dumbledore took the potion to fake his own death. When he's facing Malfoy at the end, it described that he looked like he was going to fall asleep. When Dumbledore's body is being described, "but for the strange angle of his arm and legs, he might have been sleeping."
Snape pretends to kill Dumbledore, turns everyone against him which strengthens his story with Voldemort that he's on his side.
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