What if FOX wants Firefly back?

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SARDONICA

Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
They'd only find a way to screw it up.

A choice between Firefly on Fox, or no Firefly on TV....

I say no. They would only air the eps out of order, pre-empt it with baseball, probably try to recast it, then cancel it after 5 eps ( over 10 weeks )

Be better if all the good writers/producers boycotted the bastards and let them die.

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My logic ties you up and rapes you

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Hm. Don't know much about the TV industry, do you?

In any case, my understanding--and correct me if I'm wrong--is that it's not a matter of FOX *wanting* the show back. My understanding is that FOX *owns* the show, and it's more a matter of them relinquishing those rights, more'n anything else...

In any case. My favorite scenario would be to see Firefly end up as a series on HBO or Showtime, possibly the Scifi Channel (though they aren't really that great at handling their properties).

But given a choice between Firefly on FOX and no Firefly... I'll take FOX any day! I can always tape 'em and watch 'em in order...!

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, July 18, 2005 1:18 AM

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Originally posted by zoid:

But, in the meantime, if you had finally matriculated at the university of your choice, would you voluntarily go back to high school? The girl would have to be really special...

Maybe Serenity is that really special "girl?" I know I'd take Mr. Claussen's shop class again for her.

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BLACKEYEDGIRL

Monday, July 18, 2005 2:49 AM

I gotta say after seeing the Firefly fans on Sci-Fi Channel the only place I think that could bring it back, give it what it needs and allow the writers, producers and directors the freedom they need is Sci-Fi. Their ad showed me that they 'got it.' They didn't corn it up or cheese it out. They showed what the show was.

Face it, Andromeda is over. At least they should kill it cos last season was awful.

Battlestar Galactica, and both Stargate's have wrapped up Sci-Fi's Friday. Firefly is now replacing Andromeda. Considering Universal now must own the rights to Firefly (I'm sure Fox Entertainment is getting a nice sum from the DVDs and this syndication, but in all reality Fox can't still be the major right holder in this game. I believe I did read that when Joss asked them for the rights to the show and everything they gave it to him, cos they still think that when he comes back to TV it will be to Fox Entertainment (not necessarily the network), and you don't want to piss off someone as gifted as Joss. But I digress), or at least to the exact same characters under the name Serenity, and they own holdings in Sci-Fi. I can see Serenity the TV show ending up here. And I would love for nothing more. Sci-Fi has the financial backing to do this because they are like one of the highest rated cable channels. They are only this highly rated because they feed what Sci-Fi fans want, and if Sci-Fi fans come slobbering at the mouth to the network begging for more I can see them trying it. And honestly we've all turned on our friends and family to this show and how many of them called us after Objects in Space whining 'you mean that's really it? That's all there is?'

And who actually thinks that a Star Wars TV show is gonna work? PUHLEESE. That won't last a season. Not cos Fox will screw it up (well they will, btu even so) but because it will disappoint the fans cos there is no way to pump the kind of money into it that will ever really satisfy them.

But there's the Joss problem. Or not. Joss could easily executive produce and continue to have creative influence, blah blah blah & do movies. Remember he worked 3 TV shows at once, how? Capable staff. Remember Tim Minear, Jane Espenson, Drew Goddard, and the rest of the brilliant minds who have brought all of Joss' worlds alive? Well when The Inside is cancelled a good deal of them are without work again. And if you think for one second most of them wouldn't rush back to be a part of this you are sadly mistaken. Hell new blood could even be aquired in the genius who did Dead Like me and Wonderfalls (whos name escapes me right now). Don't think for a second that Joss wouldn't want to get these stories out in a luscious sprawling arc, instead of crammed into 3 one and a half hour movies (cos thats about how long Serenity is, it's almost shorter than the pilot). He's disenchanted with TV right now, but if the right opportunity with a network who would respect the story and what they have to tell he would do it.

My verdict? F*ck Fox, put this show where the real sci-fi fans are, on Sci-Fi. If offered the right opportunity I'm sure the old band would be happy to get back together. Maybe even add some fresh faces.

And no, I wouldn't go back to high school for some girl, but for that one boy, oh in a second.

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LEDPENCIL

Monday, July 18, 2005 3:26 AM

While it would be cool for more Firefly (and it really would), I don't know if I see Fox doing it. The only show I can think of being brought back is Family Guy and it was only because the DVDs sold like mad.

Ironically, Fox had the choice between keeping Dark Angel going, or doing Firefly. They didn't feel they could afford two sci-fi shows with expensive sets. So they chose Firefly and they didn't even keep it going for a full season. I love the big networks that sacrifice quality for money. Bring it up to Canada, the government gives money to finance Canadian television shows like Andromeda. I hope if Fox does anything they sell the show to another network that won't play the show, make as much money as possible on it, and then cancel. That or try to spin a gimmick into it or mess with the creative process. Yup, quality over money...

I wish Fox would just make up its mind. They cancel the show and then when DVD sales are up and re-runs are doing well, they make a movie. Either do the show or sell it to someone who'll do it. It sucks here in limbo.

Ledpencil

CARDIE

Monday, July 18, 2005 4:11 AM

From some of the talk I've heard from the cast members about whether new Firefly would come back to television, I think that the agreement between Joss, Fox (the studio, not the network), and Universal was that Fox television would be the only production company authorized to produce additional Firefly television episodes for a given period, but that they would agree not to do so until Universal filmed its three Serenity movies or declined to do all three.

FOX the network has no claims on Firefly now. Once they canceled the show, they had no claim on any future episodes that they didn't authorize and pay a license fee for. (Fox the studio produced Buffy and Angel and they never appeared on the FOX network.) However, I'll bet if Universal sees big profits for the movies and wants more Firefly episodes on their SciFi channel for the purposes of cross-promotion, they could certainly license them from Fox--if Joss and the cast could be lured back to television. But I bet the deal says that no TV network not owned by NBC-Universal could broadcast a new Firefly.

At least, that's the way I'd have set things up if I were NBC-Universal's lawyer.

Cardie

SIMONSAYS

Monday, July 18, 2005 4:21 AM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Quote:
Originally posted by zoid:

But, in the meantime, if you had finally matriculated at the university of your choice, would you voluntarily go back to high school? The girl would have to be really special...

Maybe Serenity is that really special "girl?" I know I'd take Mr. Claussen's shop class again for her.

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WHISPER

Monday, July 18, 2005 4:24 AM

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Originally posted by zoid:

...The problem is this: I don't think Joss has any intentions of doing television again, in the foreseeable future.

I respectfully disagree. I seem to recall an interview with Joss where he was comparing the two mediums and he was talking about how in telivision you can have the "small moments" because you have the time to. Joss is all about those small moments and drawing storylines out over an extended period of time and you just can't do that with a movie. I think that as soon as another brilliant idea pops in his head and he has the time, he will do another series.

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OPPYH

Monday, July 18, 2005 5:10 AM

Wow. Not nearly as negative as I thought this thread would be. I honestly believe it would work. and I can't hate FOX forever. THEY DID BRING BACK FAMILY GUY.

ONCE AGAIN, THE SERENITY MOVIES WILL BE GREAT, BUT WE NEED A SERIES TO KEEP US HAPPY. A 2-3 YEAR WAIT BETWEEN EACH MOVIE IS PRETTY DEPRESSING.
I'M SO SICK OF VOICING MY OPINION ABOUT A NEW SERIES, ONLY TO BE CUT DOWN ALL THE TIME. YES THE SERIES GOT CANCELLED. YES WE WERE ANGERED, BUT LIFE GOES ON.
NO NEED TO HATE THE TELEVISION IDEA FOREVER.

IF A NEW SERIES ISN'T MADE, WE WILL BE STUCK WITH A FEW GREAT MOVIES AND NOTHING MORE. IN THE FIREFLY REALM, THAT AINT NEARLY ENOUGH.

WHITEFALL

Monday, July 18, 2005 5:45 AM

I totally agree, i always thought that sooner or later, if firefly was to really continue, it would have to go back to TV, for all the reasons mentioned above. Joss's specialty comes in the small moments, the moments that really make you care about the characters, and know that they are real and have feelings, even if that time is taken out of the main plot.

I was really disturbed when the mighty Whedon kept saying that he couldn't see Firefly coming back on the small screen, now that he's seen it big.

So actually, i've been thinking, you guys know that Q&A with joss that the serenitymovie site runs? well, frankly, i've thought of sending in a question:

"Joss, if given the chance, the time, the money, the actors, the inspiration, and the crew, would you take Firefly back to TV?"

I'm scared to ask this, because if he says 'no, I wouldn't do that...' well... that's sorta it. An equally problematic concern has also been that, with the 3 movies, which will supposedly explain about river, mal and (perhaps) blue sun, what mystery will be left in the 'verse to drive a Firefly show anyways?

so basically...

"Some people juggle geese!" -Ancient Chinese proverb.

ZOID

Monday, July 18, 2005 3:31 PM

OPPYH wrote:

Quote:
...THEY DID BRING BACK FAMILY GUY.

ONCE AGAIN, THE SERENITY MOVIES WILL BE GREAT, BUT WE NEED A SERIES TO KEEP US HAPPY. A 2-3 YEAR WAIT BETWEEN EACH MOVIE IS PRETTY DEPRESSING.
I'M SO SICK OF VOICING MY OPINION ABOUT A NEW SERIES, ONLY TO BE CUT DOWN ALL THE TIME. YES THE SERIES GOT CANCELLED. YES WE WERE ANGERED, BUT LIFE GOES ON.
NO NEED TO HATE THE TELEVISION IDEA FOREVER.

IF A NEW SERIES ISN'T MADE, WE WILL BE STUCK WITH A FEW GREAT MOVIES AND NOTHING MORE. IN THE FIREFLY REALM, THAT AINT NEARLY ENOUGH.

...CAPS LOCK!

Capitally,
-zed

P.S.
I would love a return to series TV. It is my dearest fantasy. But I don't think it can happen. Studio lawyers on the left, studio lawyers on the right, and Joss is fed up with the medium's fickle execs. Yes, he likes the storytelling aspects of TV; but, he hates having the story get lopped off before it's been fully told, by bean-counting sycophants who wouldn't know quality if it gave them a lap dance (dead on that end, too

). At least with movies he gets to tell the whole tale before 'reality-based' executives decide he's a terrible artist (i.e., because he didn't make them enough Money)...
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