Video US helicopter guns down farmers
POSTED BY: GinoBiffaroni
UPDATED: Sunday, July 24, 2005 05:16
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Originally posted by optimus1998:
ok, all sides of arguments involving the morality of the actions depicted here, blah-bity,blah-bity,blah,
all that aside..
the person progamming the webpage linked here, seems to have discovered a new unit of data storage:Quote:
video: MPEG at 4.6 mebibytes
MEBIBYTES??? to paraphrase Marty McFly - WHAT THE HELL IS A MEBIBYTE?
one would think if one knew enough html to program a basic page like that, they would be pretty familiar with the term megabyte, more so if it is a auto generated page, the person who wrote the software that wrote the page would be pretty familiar with the word....
or am i just being to picky???
Mebi...mebi not.
HKCavalier
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We haven't heard from the original poster since the full video was linked to. I'd be interested to hear what he thinks about this in its proper context and whether he would have still posted this topic (complete with headline) if he had seen that.
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
We haven't heard from the original poster since the full video was linked to. I'd be interested to hear what he thinks about this in its proper context and whether he would have still posted this topic (complete with headline) if he had seen that.
Probably not. Either he was duped by a Far Far Left wing bit of false propaganda and posted it, or he was'nt duped, and decided to spread the Far Far Left Wing bit of false propaganda.
Judging from his posts in the past, I think it's more likely the latter.
In any case, none of these Far Far Left wing hypocrites will ever give in to the fact of what the video really shows. After all, that would mean they agree that the U.S. Military acted correctly.
Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
MEBIBYTES??? to paraphrase Marty McFly - WHAT THE HELL IS A MEBIBYTE? am i just being to picky???
Mebi...mebi not.
HK, ha, ha ha , you deserve an award for that one,
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!Didn't see that one comin' Chrisisall
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Quote:And I never got a response from Inevitable about this either, especially as I was very careful not to imply that "all" American soldiers are guilty. Can I conclude that Inevitable is deliberately misrepresenting my argument in order to further propaganda points?
But you are being reckless, irresponsible, and just plain stupid if you think that all American servicemen commit atrocities, and that therefore all American servicemen ought to be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
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Originally posted by BarnStormer:
In any case, none of these Far Far Left wing hypocrites will ever give in to the fact of what the video really shows. After all, that would mean they agree that the U.S. Military acted correctly.
Having switched sides, as it were, I must agree that the military acts correctly in most situations. Individual and team acts of undiciplined behavior or malicious killing are certainly few and very far between. Orders are usually followed with great precision. For most soldiers, these unbelievably stressfull times actually bring out the best in them. All those left wing nu- hey wait a minute. I would have said the same thing when I was a left kind-of-guy!
Maybe labels don't mean much...
Hmmm, I may have to think about this...
Where's that thinkin' place anyway Chrisisall
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To be honest, I think the US Army has had a reputation for being overly trigger happy for decades (indeed my grandfather stated that the time his platoon felt most nervous was when the US soldiers were behind them, not when the Germans were in front of them.)
Maybe it's a cultural thing. Certainly we've witnessed too many bombings gone astray (villagers, Red Cross headquarters, the Chinese embassy).
However, I'm a stickler for topics in hand and this topic is about that bit of footage. When you see the whole, unedited video, it is absolutely clear (imo) that the troops acted correctly. What I'm trying to ascertain is whether the original poster agrees with me and whether he was aware of the full length video before his original post.
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Quote:To the best of my recollection, the first reaction was shock. But Bush's rhetoric "Drain the swamp they live in so you can smoke the evil ones who are wanted dead or alive out of their caves as the noose tightens" stoked the mob mentality.
Then again, to play the other side of the coin, would the American people be happy not wiping out an entire country who we've deemend 'responsible'? If I'm recalling correctly, as soon as the Taliban and Afghanistan were indicated as the most possible culprits, a great deal of Americans wanted the whole country turned into a glass parking lot. So...If we /did/ utilize nuclear arms in response to a limited nuclear terrorist attack ... isn't it more likely that the American people's (See: Mob) own desire for revenge be the one main factor that would push anybody's finger on the button?
And if you think it can't be done, just look at how people were gulled into supporting the Panama and Grenada invasions. Neither one was a credible threat, but the administration made up a story out of thin air and most people went along with it.
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Three great examples, Sig.
I would argue that those examples were, by and large, of a slightly different nature in agenda. I hadn't really thought of Bush's words (At the time) as stoking the mob's fire to get it hot enough to warrant whatever agenda's his cabinet had. Indeed, the words our leader utilized at the time undoubtably had a great deal of sway on the shock and anger the general masses were feeling.
Hey, they even managed to convince government to go into Iraq to begin with while still riding on the tails of said emotions.
But do I really think we'd 'stoop' to nuclear weapons as a response to a terrorist nuclear attack? I personally don't think so.
The moral thing to do for both a global and domestic image and support, would be to refuse the use of nuclear response as a means to say 'Hey! Look! We're not evil, if we were they'd be atoms already!'. No, I think we'll just stick with tomahawks, bombs, etc. It wouldn't do anyone any good to vaporise entire cities of innocents just to get a few 'bad guys'. I don't even think this office would stoop that low.
Yes. I'm a G.W. supporter but I'm not blind. ;)
But, the more interesting question is the one that asks: Who /will/ we fight in any instance post-nuclear attack? Will it be the country where the terrorists originate or operate from or will it be Iran, N. Korea, or any of the former Soviet states who's nuclear arms have slipped through their fingers like so much vodka?
If that's the case, will we even attack at all?
Focht
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:And I never got a response from Inevitable about this either, especially as I was very careful not to imply that "all" American soldiers are guilty. Can I conclude that Inevitable is deliberately misrepresenting my argument in order to further propaganda points?
But you are being reckless, irresponsible, and just plain stupid if you think that all American servicemen commit atrocities, and that therefore all American servicemen ought to be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
You can not. What you can conclude is that these threads weary me. I disagree with you and think very few kind thoughts about you. You return the favor. In general, I can't comprehend how /anyone/ could hold some of your beliefs; I'm sure the feeling is more than mutual. I'm convinced that you're convinced and will never change your mind; you can bet your bippy I won't. So where does that leave us?
In a very ugly place, from my vantage point. We are left in a place where one side holds rigid, inflexible, extremist postions on the issue, and lambasts the other as ignorant fools--even though they really only have a vastly oversimplified understanding of the arguments from the other side. The hell of it is, the other side does the exact same thing!
Now, to be fair, there are people here who actually think through the issue and come to informed, rational positions after listening to both sides (HK, Chris, I'm looking in your direction). But mostly, people just go "la-la-la-la-la" with their fingers in their ears them scream at the top of their lungs. I feel very confident saying so, because I've done it myself. Can that type of "discussion" /ever/ be fruitful? And if that is what these threads devolve into, what does that mean for the participants?
If you ask me, SignyM, it means that one of us has to walk away. Since this is pretty much your thread (or one that dovetails nicely with your worldview) I've decided that /I/ will. These idiotic threads don't do anything but reinforce people's pre-existing opinions and personally I'm sick of arguing with people on this board. I came here to find fellow Firefly fans, not to create hate and discontent for all involved.
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