Space Above and Beyond

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MOOSE

Monday, July 11, 2005 3:41 AM

Once again,

GORRAM FOX!!!!

I don't think I'll ever get tired of saying that...don't think FOX will give me any reason to stop either...

FRUMIOUSB

Monday, July 11, 2005 8:50 AM

Hard Eight may have created the show, but that doesn't give them any kind of distribution rights. Fox owns it. It's kind of common courtesy one would think, however, for the filmmakers to get a say in how it gets presented in any shape or form, DVD or otherwise. The show got yanked around in different timeslots constantly when it aired 10 years back and was never given a chance to find an audience. With DVD, people finally may get to see it all for the first time, which is a good thing, but for the fans or any newbies who became further interested, they will get absolutely no insight as to how it was made, or the reaction of the cast and crew as to how they feel it stands up today and that sucks. Especially since everyone was game and excited to revisit the series... well, everyone except for the network that canned it in the first place. Why should I be surprised?

All in all, it's just a stupid, disappointing decision on Fox's marketing dept. that they probably don't realize people might care about, but maybe if you write letters voicing your displeasure, it might make them think twice before shafting the filmmakers of your current and future favourite shows. It's really to the disadvantage to real fans that are already dishing out $50 for a box set and they aren't getting a single bonus feature, when there could easily have been a set full of them, made by the producers to boot! But seeing as they are Fox marketing people -- they have no idea what genre fans like.

You asked about where to send letters. Address them to Peter Staddon or Sven Davison at Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment:

20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
10201 W. Pico Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90035

By the way, AMF is a military acronym that was used in S:AAB occasionally. Depending on who you are addressing, for example, fellow Space fans, it stands for "Adios My Friend" or, in Fox's case, "Adios Motherfucker."

BROWNCOAT1

Monday, July 11, 2005 2:33 PM

As much as I would like to say I am surprised by this most recent bit of news, taking into consideration what we all know from experience w/ Fox, it really isn't.

What kind of mornonic network would not allow the creators & cast of a show to have any hand in the creation & release of the DVD set. Not allowing the cast & creators to have commentaries or interviews will present the show to those that don't have the news so kindly provided by Frumiousb as a show that no one cared enough about to do the DVD set right.

Sure I want it, I have waited on the DVD set since Fox in their infinite ignorance cancelled the series so long ago. I want it done right though. I want commentaries, extra footage, interviews w/ cast & creators, anything they want to add on there. Why Fox chimps think there is no interest is beyond me.

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YT

Monday, July 11, 2005 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
As much as I would like to say I am surprised by this most recent bit of news, taking into consideration what we all know from experience w/ Fox, it really isn't.

Things I know about 20th Century Fox:

They hired Joss Whedon & Mutant Enemy
Helped them produce one of the finest series ever to hit TV, & two others that were more popular
When Firefly was cancelled by the network that ordered it, 20th Century Fox left the sets up for another six months to allow Joss time to shop the series to other networks
Greenlit a DVD of a series that was cancelled in the middle of its first season
Ordered the DVD with a couple of cool special features that were produced along with the series
Ordered a long & detailed "Making Of" feature to be produced for the DVD
Added seven episode-specific commentaries by nine different folks, made for the DVD

This is markedly different from above reports of 20th Century Fox's handling of SA&B.

Quote:
Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
What kind of mornonic network would not allow the creators & cast of a show to have any hand in the creation & release of the DVD set.

No network has any say in the DVD of a series once they've cancelled it.

20th Century Fox (the studio that produced Buffy, Angel & Firefly, along with their DVDs) isn't the FOX Broadcasting Company (FOX network), who . . .
didn't like Joss's pilot for Firefly, &
declined to broadcast it 'til they'd
cancelled the show.

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . . (wutzon) Bruce Hornsby, "Sunflower Cat", from "Here Come the Noise Makers"

SAFEAT2ND

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 1:54 AM

So here's the dilema....Do we buy the set, like we want to, but have to suffer with a sub-standard, lack luster release in order to finally get this show on DVD? Or do we choose not to purchase it to send a statement to whichever FOX collective group of idiots is reponsible, and chance never seeing a properly produced set due to poor sales?

As a newbie that "stumbled" onto Firefly by finding the fine folks of this shiny website, I was hoping to finally be able to see S:AAB. It comes highly recomended by several people on this site, but I would like to see it done like Firefly was. I WANT to know the background, see it in proper order, see missing footage etc..

I mean hell....if I'm gonna spend $50 bucks, I want my money's worth dammit!!

Befuddled, confused and more than just a little angry....

GUNRUNNER

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 2:01 AM

I say buy it, don’t and let the sales drop and your proving the FuX executives that said there wasn’t a market for a DVD set full of features right. And me personally I like to prove them wrong every chance I can get.

Anyways I wasn’t internet savvy back when S:AAB was on so I missed what the people “in the know” on the net said about the show’s cancellation. So could anyone give me a little info on why they caned it? Was it just ratings? I heard it did well.

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FRUMIOUSB

Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:29 AM

YT - your post really points out how Fox's treatment of Firefly is so markedly different from S:AAB. In fact, reading your makes me want to cry, because I really believed S:AAB deserved and had every opportunity to get a similar DVD treatment. I was only an occasional watcher of Firefly, but I'd like to say now that damn, you guys (the fans) are really lucky. You even get a movie version of your favourite TV show, which is amazing.

Some differences between Firefly and S:AAB which might shed some insight over how two shows could be treated so differently from each other:

1. Firefly was a very recent series, and getting DVD releases for such things make it a little more straightforward, if not expected, as opposed to a 10 year old genre series

2. Joss Whedon has a much higher profile than Glen Morgan and Jim Wong. He created Buffy which was HUGE. Those box sets were massive cash cows for Fox on DVD. Similar to Whedon -- Chris Carter had X-Files, which helped him get out Lone Gunmen and Harsh Realm (which barely aired half its episodes) on DVD rather quickly after their demise.

3. Shortly after S:AAB was cancelled in 1996, the producers had to suffer watching from their production offices -- their sets being burned across the Fox lot as KINDLING for the short lived Fox series, "L.A. Firefighters" (I think it lasted 6 episodes). The more heavy duty stuff got carted away to be re-used in some way on the Joss Whedon written ALIEN RESURRECTION.

4. To perhaps flog a dead horse - despite the show's cast and crew being eager to participate in the S:AAB DVD project, including but not limited to: 6 cast/crew commentaries (also involving at least 9 people), an hour long retrospective documentary, an original short with new series mythology, a really fun interactive military lexicon, blah blah blah -- they were fooled into a false sense of security when the Fox Home Entertainment said, "that sounds great - we'll look into the realities of this", only to have them either a) forget to call back, b)ignore the whole thing or c) if I want to be totally paranoid -- sneak around behind Hard Eight's backs to make a quick, cheap deal with Best Buy because they don't care at all about this TV show

I think what gets me the most is that no one thought to contact said creators until they were forced to after continual calls by Glen Morgan to find out what the @%$#@%!# was going on (after reading rumours on The Digital Bits website about a possible Best Buy S:AAB DVD!)... this is just dirty pool, I say.

Can you tell this is a really sore subject for me?

Thank you for allowing me a forum to get this out of my system.

MUFFINS

Wednesday, July 13, 2005 5:50 AM

1st, Found it under documentaries (Hope it isn't that Austrailian thing with a similar name: look it up on Amazon.com)

2nd, When I click on the title, I get a "Sorry, but you can't access this page" screen.

Has anyone been able to pre-order it so far?

TRISHYMOUSE

Thursday, July 14, 2005 12:03 AM

I'm definitely buying it, even though I have it all on VCD. It's one of the best shows I've had the privilege to watch, and I've been watching them for over 40 years...

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FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:13 AM

I say buy it. Cuz if no one buys it, it proves the Fox execs right that there wasn't a market. However, if the DVD sales do really well, they might in the future release a bonus feature disc or a new set that includes bonus features.

Yeah, I found it under documentaries as well and also get that "Sorry can't access this page, it might no longer exist...blah blah blah" message from Best Buy. So maybe they are in the process of moving it into the SciFi section? Hopefully...

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