A 'Bring Back Firefly' Petition URL is anyone is interested

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MACBAKER

Saturday, July 9, 2005 8:05 AM

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Originally posted by Aziraphale:
"Fox sold the movie rights to Universal, but kept the TV rights. Universal and Joss couldn't return Firefly to TV without Fox's approval and involvement."

Who's to say they won't get Fox's approval?

Okay, you seem to be missing the point. Why would Universal want Fox to profit from "Universal's" movie? They wouldn't. They also would quickly lose any interest in further movie sequels if Fox had another Firefly series running. Why would Joss want to? Universal is giving him far more control over the movie than Fox did with the series. I doubt he would want to return to such a restrictive medium.

You guys are pissing into the wind with these TV revival dreams. It's not going to happen! Firefly will not return to television anytime soon, and if it ever does, it wouldn't be the show you remember anyway.

Be happy that we are getting movies. That's far more than anyone could hope for from a series that didn't even last one season! It's just proves that the Fox network didn't know what they had. God help us if Firefly does one day return to TV. Do you really think Joss would be eager to produce "Firefly: The Next Generation"? Truth is, Firefly was too good for television, like so many other intelligent shows Fox and other networks typically cancel (like Wonderfals, The Inside, Brisco County, The Tick, etc).

I'd much rather have the half season of great episodes, and a trilogy of movies to remember Firefly for, than an over blown mess of steadily declining series and movies like the Star Trek franchise became. In fact, I hope the words "Firefly" and "Franchise" are never used together to describe this universe Joss created!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

AZIRAPHALE

Saturday, July 9, 2005 8:11 AM

I didn't say Fox should bring back Firefly. I said they could. If the movie does well, they might see it as a viable property again. Nowhere did I go visiting Joss's intentions; nor did I say what I even thought of the idea.

Chill the fuck out, man.

DAIKATH

Saturday, July 9, 2005 10:03 AM

Firefly as a tv series gas made me more obsessed then I have been with anything else.

Movies may be very cool -and absolutely a whole lot better then nothing-. But a weekly tv series would be even better.

We are still on this board, having the gazillionth discussion about the obstacles to bringing it back to tv, waiting for the comics after the delay, etc. Just for 13 episodes of a tv show.

A movie also won't allow very much time for the family moments, like in Out of Gas, or in the ending of Safe. To me those were the kind of moments that made me be a fan to this day. A movie won't allow for that, although we will always have the DVD and we should be ubergrateful for the movie,, it is a different medium.

I should be grateful for the movie and stop wishing.. But.. more episodes would be so cool.. Maybe all we have for now is the movie and roleplaying sessions, heh. Anyone know if Joss Whedon or any of the writers would be willing to write a roleplaying story? .

GROUNDED

Saturday, July 9, 2005 10:05 AM

Crowley and Aziraphale in the same thread - spooky...

MACBAKER

Saturday, July 9, 2005 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Aziraphale:
I didn't say Fox should bring back Firefly. I said they could. If the movie does well, they might see it as a viable property again. Nowhere did I go visiting Joss's intentions; nor did I say what I even thought of the idea.

Chill the fuck out, man.

Oh change your diaper kid! Now you're not just pissing in the wind, but pissing yourself with that chill out crap! Chill the fuck out yourself!

Fox (the studio) CAN'T bring back Firefly without Joss, so your comment, "I said they could" is wrong! They don't own the rights to Firefly, just the TV distribution rights.

Fox (the network) Can't bring it back either. Once they canceled it, they lost any rights or interests in the show.

Fox (the network) would have to be even dumber than they were when they canceled it, not to already know it's a viable property. DVD sales prove that! Too bad for them. They lost their chance to profit from it, and Universal now will reap the financial rewards (but just from the movies). Fox (the studio) always believed Firefly was a viable property, or they wouldn't have greenlighted production on it in the first place. It was Fox (the network) that didn't know how to promote it, refused to show the two hour pilot, and mixed up and pre-empted the episodes. Fox (the studio) obviously respected Joss and Firefly more than the network, because when the box set came out, they put the episodes in the order Joss intended, not the order of the network aired them. Given the DVD sales, I wouldn't be surprised if Fox (the studio) wouldn't have greenlighted a Firefly movie themselves if they could have, but they couldn't because Joss had an exclusive movie deal with Universal. So, they did the next best thing. They sold movie rights to Firefly to Universal, knowing that a successful movie would only continue bolster the series DVD sales.

Make no mistake, Fox (the studio) is already profiting from Firefly, from DVD sales, and from the deal they made with the Sc-Fi channel. A successful movie, will only mean even more sales of the series box set, and even more profits for them, but it won't mean they will have a chance at another Firefly series. There's just to many roadblocks in their way.

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, July 9, 2005 7:03 PM

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There's just to many roadblocks in their way.

You know, that's exactly what people said about a firefly movie... innit?

Shall we prepare a plate of crow for you in advance ?

-F

MACBAKER

Saturday, July 9, 2005 9:42 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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There's just to many roadblocks in their way.

You know, that's exactly what people said about a firefly movie... innit?

Shall we prepare a plate of crow for you in advance ?

-F

Not really. Universal wanted Joss working for/with them. They actively persued a movie deal with him. To get that deal, Joss had a simple demand, "Let me make my Firefly idea into a movie". That was typical Hollywood wheeling and dealing. For it to return as a series is much more problematic. Fox Studios has to be involved, and they will WANT to be involved. A network will have to want to carry it. Even if the movie is the big hit we expect, that won't be an easy sell. Network execs know that movies don't always make for sucessful series. My Big Fat Greek Life! Ring any bells? Universal has to approve the series, and they will also want their cut. Joss has to want to return Firefly to the more restictive limits of television. He has to go back to the medium where "no talent" execs second guess his every move, and where production budgets are far more limited. He could have produced an entire season of Firefly for what he shot Serenity for. Lastly, the cast has to want to return to TV. Most probably would want to, but if the movie is a big hit, some could get other movie offers that would preclude that.

Making Firefly into a movie was easy compaired to what it would take for it to return as a series.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong. As much I'm looking forward to several Firefly movies (Serenity and it's inevitable sequels), I'd much rather have 7 full seasons of Firefly. A show would allow for much more exploration of these characters, that movies just don't have the time to include. If I'm wrong, and Firfely does return with new episodes (within the ten year contract deal Fox still has with Joss), I'll happily eat my plate a crows. Unfortunately, being practical and knowing a little about how things work in this industry, it's extremely unlikey.

Anything could happen though. Years from now, when the contracts with Fox have expired, it could return more easily to television, in some form or another. It took almost 20 years for Star Trek to return to TV, but it wasn't really what the fans remembered. In the end, it became a bloated parody of itself. I'd rather that not happen to Firefly.

Do we really want to see the adventures of another captain and crew, aboard the Firefly class transport Serenity-D? "Firefly: The Next Generation". Or "Firefly: Niska's Deep Space Station". How about a show called "Firefly: Lost in Reaver Space" about a Firefly class transport, lost in a dangerous corner of the known verse, trying to get home on half a tank of gas. Lastly, lets not forget the inevitable prequel, "Firefly: The Early Years", dealing with the captain who owned the ship prior to Mal. Okay, extreme examples, but like Star Trek and Star Wars, Firefly could go to the well too many times. If it returns to TV as a (here's that dreaded word again) "Franchise", how much control do you think Joss will be able to maintain? How long before it begins to suck? How long before some pushy network or studio exec., demands alien races and a female character wearing a push-up bra and a catsuit? No thanks! I'd rather not eat that crow!

I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.

DAZ

Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:34 AM

"The deal they have with Universal precludes another TV show - so a revival ain't gonna happen. The plan is, if the film does well enough, to have a trilogy of films."
- Source: www.darkhorizons.com/news04/040503c.php

So far no-one in this thread has this pointed out. Correct me if I'm wrong but to my understanding, Universal has banned Fox (or any subsequent TV rights holder) from ever exercising their right to make more TV serials while a movie deal with Universal is in place. Sorry to say, but the success of the above petition is close to impossible with this and all other existing legal and resourcing obstacles.

I second the sentiment that it would have been better to continue as a TV show than a movie series. Story and character dynamics between TV episodes would have been more suited to the complexities of this show. And we would have got more stories and screen time.

I also second the sentiment that we should all be happy that we've got a movie and move on. This is the best thing that could ever happen given the circumstances.

Some other moving on tips that I have adopted for myself and suggest to others:
1. Don't get stuck on Firefly. Get stuck on the future work of Joss Whedon. All the other things he creates from now is bound to be good.
2. Also start following the work of other creative minds from Mutant Enemy like Tim Minear and Jane Espenson.
3. Pay special attention when one or more of the original Firefly cast team up with those in the points above for other projects. Bound to be interesting.

Btw MacBaker, that line about "FireFly: Niska's Deep Space Station" sounded so silly it cracked me up. "Star Trek: DS9" was a shocking repudiation of the quality of the show that went before it.

EDIT: Just noticed that the very first poster already addressed the point of the TV series being precluded. Consider this comment as a substantiation.

DAIKATH

Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:21 PM

You might be right Daz. But Firefly has touched me in a way previous Joss and Minear, etc projects have not done.

I will look forward to new projects of those poeple of course. But I will always want new firefly material as long as I feel there are stories left to be told. Stories true to the nature of the show.

DAZ

Monday, July 11, 2005 2:48 AM

Oh but you misunderstand me Daikath! Firefly resonated with me, my life and values almost as much as it did for you. I'm just as obsessed as yourself. I've bought a DVD set for watching, another for posterity, collated every interesting convention footage and show analysis articles as I can from the internet before it all disappears.

The difference I have to the people behind this latest petition is that I put my obsession in perspective. Although they're welcome to try, I think their efforts are grossly misdirected as its all but impossible to revive the TV show. The legal situation has seen to that. All that's left to us are the movies, comics, fanfic and maybe even fanvids to appreciate and contribute to.

Firefly the TV show might have been the equivalent to the aligning of the planets in terms of the talent assembled both in front and behind the camera (ie. once in a lifetime). However, all we can do now is just pickup the pieces (get the DVD, watch the movies), follow what's left (see the FF movie/comics), look to the future (keep a keen eye on Whedon/Minear future works) and move on.

It's very much like involuntarily falling in love with the most perfect girl who, after 3 heart rending dates, decides not to return your phone calls. You mope around for half a year in a daze of self pity. Then you decide there are much more important things you can do with your energy.

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