FFF.net I've Seen Serenity Thread **MAJOR SPOILERS**
POSTED BY: everyworldspinnin
UPDATED: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 04:21
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People I have pegged for the next deaths are:
1.) Inara - Mal pretty much is never destined to be happy so she's my first bet for death
2.) Zoe - Either her or Mal are going to bit it by the end of the third movie IMO.
The rest I think will live on.
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As to some other points brought up... I too thought it was hinted at very strongly that Book had been an Operative.
From the first moment that Serenity publicity described the Operative, I was certain that this is what Book had been before he became a shepherd. So I'm glad it's at least hinted at.
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When Zoe was stabbed I overheard people saying, "not another one." When Jayne was shot, same thing... when Kaylee took the darts to the neck, same result. When Mal got stabbed, shrieks of horror because there was a belief that he might actually die. When the scene ended with Simon's health not confirmed, there was actual tension that he might be dead. Even with River, you didn't KNOW that she would come out of her battle alive.
After the pain of cancellation and trying to get the show back I was delighted by the news of a movie (I would still rather have had seasons of Firefly, but...). So when that happened I did everything I could to learn absolutely nothing about the movie. I did not want to know one thing until I had seen it.
The first time I saw it was in Miami last month. At that point in the movie having seen all of Joss's other shows and not knowing anything else I thought maybe Mal would make it. I thought maybe Joss had decided that this was his only possible Firefly story and was going to kill everyone, even possibly Mal AFTER he got the message out. Truly, I was worried it was all over. After the movie people told me about possible sequels and such, but I thought I enjoyed it more not knowing anything
As for people not knowing the 'verse seeing the film they will think of a happy ending I'm sure. Maybe one or two other people will die but they will undoubtably think it will work out in the end, like most movies.
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Originally posted by bikisdad:
Exactly. People were dying all around our heroes during the series and the BDH's were constantly getting shot up and wounded in various ways. The great thing about this show compared to other sci-fi shows was the realism (well, one of the many great things). Did anyone seriously think that, with the dangerous lives they led, that none of them would ever die? Wash's death wasn't pointless. In fact, it was entirely pointy. I'm sure we'll see him again in flashbacks in the sequel - a well-known Joss vehicle for having dead characters continue on in the storyline.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
Then why doesn't Joss make things REALLY life like and just have Serenity crash land into a building and EVERYONE dies? Just think of THAT cool action sequence!!
I know you were just joking there, but...remember way back before the movie was made, when Joss had just showed 'Versal his first run at a script? Remember how Joss wrote his first script as a final ending to the show? Remember that 'Versal had him re-write the script SO THAT THERE COULD BE SEQUELS? My guess is that it needed to be re-written to make sequels possible because the original script had EVERYBODY dying, just as you suggested. That's just a guess on my part, but I think we got off easy.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
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Originally posted by everyworldspinnin:
I think we did, rather indirectly, find out Book's secret. I think Book was an Operative at one point, and had fallen out of favor for one reason or another. His comments about faith and belief matched up so well with what The Operative said. This would also explain his status with the Alliance, and his vast knowledge of military tactics and weapons. Just a thought.
My thoughts exactly, until I thought it fit too neatly. That would be too easy a solution to the mystery of Book & I am not so certain that Joss would let us off the hook with such an obvious explaination.
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Originally posted by bikisdad:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by bikisdad:
Exactly. People were dying all around our heroes during the series and the BDH's were constantly getting shot up and wounded in various ways. The great thing about this show compared to other sci-fi shows was the realism (well, one of the many great things). Did anyone seriously think that, with the dangerous lives they led, that none of them would ever die? Wash's death wasn't pointless. In fact, it was entirely pointy. I'm sure we'll see him again in flashbacks in the sequel - a well-known Joss vehicle for having dead characters continue on in the storyline.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
Then why doesn't Joss make things REALLY life like and just have Serenity crash land into a building and EVERYONE dies? Just think of THAT cool action sequence!!
I know you were just joking there, but...remember way back before the movie was made, when Joss had just showed 'Versal his first run at a script? Remember how Joss wrote his first script as a final ending to the show? Remember that 'Versal had him re-write the script SO THAT THERE COULD BE SEQUELS? My guess is that it needed to be re-written to make sequels possible because the original script had EVERYBODY dying, just as you suggested. That's just a guess on my part, but I think we got off easy.
Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.
So, as I read your comments, we should expect to see sequels where the main characters all end up dead, w/ the possible exception of one or two survivors. Suddenly I'm liking this trip less and less.
Hope things don't play out like that.
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Angel ended with, you know. Well, I won't say. But you know.
Drama should be dramatic. It should be real life, gritty, damaging and damaged. That's what makes a truly interesting story.
I'm sure some Firefly viewers thought we would learnt about how Serenity flew at such speed, what Gorgons per second the engine worked at yadada.
No. Joss tells human stories. Our lives are painful, they're real, they're shocking, they're happy and they're here and now. Firefly was GOING TO BE a story that was painful, real, shocking, happy and then. The network cancelled it.
Simple fact? Those tuning into the TV show for a purely happy time, or something to purely escape real life, or to learn technical terms? They were watching the wrong show. It's as simple as that.
If Firefly was still on the air we would have been 66 episodes in now, at the end of season 3. Do you honestly think everybody would be alive and they'd be having rollocking adventures? Nope. It'd be painful, happy, damaging, upsetting, funny. A Joss Whedon show. A Joss Whedon movie.
That's what makes it good.
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Originally posted by WhoIsRiver:
Angel ended with, you know. Well, I won't say. But you know.
Drama should be dramatic. It should be real life, gritty, damaging and damaged. That's what makes a truly interesting story.
I'm sure some Firefly viewers thought we would learnt about how Serenity flew at such speed, what Gorgons per second the engine worked at yadada.
No. Joss tells human stories. Our lives are painful, they're real, they're shocking, they're happy and they're here and now. Firefly was GOING TO BE a story that was painful, real, shocking, happy and then. The network cancelled it.
Simple fact? Those tuning into the TV show for a purely happy time, or something to purely escape real life, or to learn technical terms? They were watching the wrong show. It's as simple as that.
If Firefly was still on the air we would have been 66 episodes in now, at the end of season 3. Do you honestly think everybody would be alive and they'd be having rollocking adventures? Nope. It'd be painful, happy, damaging, upsetting, funny. A Joss Whedon show. A Joss Whedon movie.
That's what makes it good.
TheInside.org - Firefly Producers NEW TV series
What, I can't have the good guys win, the big bad meanies defeated, and a big party w/ fireworks and happy, dancing ewoks?? DAMMIT!
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Originally posted by everyworldspinnin:
I think Book was an Operative at one point, and had fallen out of favor for one reason or another.
My thoughts exactly, until I thought it fit too neatly.
I agree. For starters, Operatives don't seem to retire in good health, especially if they have done something to fall out of favor with the Alliance.
I'm thinking Book was involved somehow with the department that trains and manages Operatives, and that he essentially blackmailed his way out of it when some horror forever altered his faith system. Recall that in one episode, when wounded, his ident card instantly buys him VIP treatment with no questions asked. I think he used to be a very, very higher-up top-secret muckety-muck, with enough power to somehow negotiate walking away with his skin and mind intact.
It would make a really interesting story, that's for sure. But I think Joss told us he ain't gonna tell it -- in the scene in the movie when Mal says, "Someday you'll have to tell me about that," and Book replies nonchalantly, "No I won't."
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It would make a really interesting story, that's for sure. But I think Joss told us he ain't gonna tell it -- in the scene in the movie when Mal says, "Someday you'll have to tell me about that," and Book replies nonchalantly, "No I won't."
Time will tell. Just because Book won't be telling the story doesn't mean Joss won't.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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