FFF.net I've Seen Serenity Thread **MAJOR SPOILERS**
POSTED BY: everyworldspinnin
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On a reality level, I want to know the reason for their deaths. Was it just Joss' call? Did Ron Glass & Alan Tudyk want out? Disputes? Are they bitter for now being 'out' of Firefly?
I know that as a long time fan of Joss, he does this sort of thing; he kills off people 'cause that's what happens... everyone doesn't survive (Jenny, Angel, Buffy (x2), Tara, etc). But I still wonder if this was due to some issues with the actors? I mean, the rumors are still out there that Colin Quinn was fired from Angel for showing up drunk & disorderly and generally being difficult.....
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Originally posted by imdahman:
On a reality level, I want to know the reason for their deaths. Was it just Joss' call? Did Ron Glass & Alan Tudyk want out? Disputes? Are they bitter for now being 'out' of Firefly?
I was at the Charlotte screening and Chris Buchanan said that there were a lot of discussions about their deaths and that Ron Glass especially really liked the cast and crew. So I don't think the actors wanted out.
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Originally posted by imdahman:
On a reality level, I want to know the reason for their deaths. Was it just Joss' call? Did Ron Glass & Alan Tudyk want out? Disputes? Are they bitter for now being 'out' of Firefly?
My guess is that both Book and Wash were marked men from the beginning. It seems likely that a lot of what was included in Serenity, plot-wise, consisted of the major story arcs of the first season playing out the way they would have if the series had continued. The actors probably knew this from the start. It was just all crammed into a two hour movie.
Which really gets around to my only complaint about Serenity, which is that it just seemed a little rushed. I feel like I need to see it again just to get a handle on everything that happened.
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The fact that Ron and Alan were the two actors not originally signed with the rest of the cast, and the fact that both their characters get killed in the BDM, seem to me too coincidental by half. I wonder if Universal had budget concerns about signing nine actors to a three-picture deal and made Joss choose.
Alan has the most feature experience and his salary level might have been on the high side, whereas Book (though my favorite character) is clearly the least important to the ensemble on a plot level.
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Question for those who seen the film bit of a spoiler:
Okay... according the beignning Simon snuck in and broke river out of the Alliance's grp. Now in the Pilot I understood it that "two men" got her out to Persephone in cryo and Simon picked her up and paid them off. These two are not totally unreconcilable..... but I wondered if this struck anyone else....
Yeah, this struck me, too. I liked it. I liked seeing BDH Simon as opposed to the stuttering, hesitating Simon at the beginning of the series (I think he grew more than any other character on the TV show.) But it didn't fit with the story that Simon gave in the pilot and the story in my head. But I LOVED watching him rescue River, regardless. It was great. And it did, in a very short space of time, give backstory and explain their relationship. (The Operative didn't have to tell us that he loved her, we could all see it so clearly.) I may like this version of the story better than the one he told in the pilot. Maybe we could say his original version was just him being humble?...
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The Simon opening is definitely a little out of continuity from the show: he may have had an incling of what the Alliance had done to River in Firefly, but he is directly told alot of things in the opening of the film which he doesn't seem to know later. I can overlook this and to some degree even fanwank that he never fully revealed everything he knew to the rest of the to keep River and them safe, just like he never told anyone about River's safeword.
What really bothers me, continuitywise, is the line indicating Simon and River have been on Serenity for eight months. It was six months between Our Mrs. Reynolds and Trash (approximately) and on top of that, how long have Inara and Book been off the ship? Book clearly has had time to become a well known community leader on Haven and I think that would take more than a few weeks. He had really made a home there and it appeared Serenity's crew knew the territory pretty well, too. If only that "eight months" line wasn't there, the timing wouldn't be an issue.
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In AT's interview in Playbill, he stated that he loved being a character actor, and not a leading man. Perhaps he saw Firefly getting too big, and could see himself getting defined as Wash, and thus wanted out.
As for Ron, if his statements in the special features of the DVD, it wouldn't make sense. Anyone ask him about this at the Indy screening?
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Originally posted by everyworldspinnin:
In AT's interview in Playbill, he stated that he loved being a character actor, and not a leading man. Perhaps he saw Firefly getting too big, and could see himself getting defined as Wash, and thus wanted out.
As for Ron, if his statements in the special features of the DVD, it wouldn't make sense. Anyone ask him about this at the Indy screening?
Wes
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I don't know about Ron, but I read that same interview of AT that you mentioned and I was thinking the same thing. I really got the impression from that interview that AT likes being a working actor who can walk down the street without being recognized. I got the feeling that he was a little uncomfortable with the "being a star" thing. He specifically mentioned getting a taste of that, and it didn't seem to be a positive thing for him.
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I think it's still *technically* correct. In the pilot ep, Simon doesn't mention that he had a direct hand in springing River, but he doesn't outright deny it either. Since he doesn't really know yet who he's dealing with on the ship, he doesn't admit his full culpability in getting River out.
It may also explain why a warrant for his arrest was issued. If he wasn't there, how did they know he had something to do with it? I always just figured they caught one of the people that helped him, or they just assumed he was involved since he disappeared around the same time she got out. But now, it makes more sense.
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