Are you allowed to shout 'FIRE' in a burning auditorium?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, June 25, 2005 00:15
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Finn,
As I recall, I was discussing this with CANTTAKESKY when you intruded with your pointless 'points'. The original discussion was about:
Quote:These were the major points under discussion. Did I address regional (v global) climate change? Rising ocean levels? Extreme climatic events? No. How are your comments anything but a straw man argument?
Do they really indicate overall rising temperatures?
Obviously someone thought surface ocean temperature is a good indicator. What about stratosphere temperature, or ocean temperature 1000 ft deep, or soil temperatures 10 feet deep?
If indeed those temperature measurements are considered representative, the next assumption to question is are they significant.
That is exactly the kind of catastrophic, alarmist interpretation that I believe is unwarranted by the data. (Tho my intention re being 'too late' was geared toward momentum, not extremes, a point I didn't get to clarify before you intruded.)
The "consensus" in GW is very much an artifact of funding and political rhetoric. I believe using government coercion to enforce one point of view, when there is still a debate going on, is, to say the least, premature.
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CANTTAKESKY,
I'm sorry you feel that way. I obviously need to work on my tone in those instances where I offend but don't mean to.
But my responses were serious which is why they were point by point, in detail, at length.
You wanted to discuss, for example, if a 1 degree change was significant (deg C I take it to be). (And also not to get bolluxed-up between 'analytically significant' which is outside of the error or the measurement and 'globally meaningful', which is what you seemed to mean in context.)
Well, suppose you could sort of imagine - would it really be so bad if summer and winter were just one degree warmer?
Or you could read the really picky details - that it's not that 'summer' is warmer, it's that summer nights are 2 degrees warmer in the temperate zones, but 4 degrees warmer near the poles; that small differences of one degree determine when the snow will stick or melt in fall and spring, and actually shift the timing of whole seasons by weeks on either end, and also melt glaciers and ice packs; or that the boreal belt around the globe is being stressed to death by nightime heat.
So while 1 degree doesn't seem like it feels all that different to me, it is only an average whose extremes do have a large effect on the world in terms of seasons, precipitation, glaciers and ice packs, and plants and animals.
I would be willing to discuss these things very specifically, if that is what you care to do.
Also, the most recent IPCC report really does an excellent job summarizing the body of research on pivotal topics.
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Quote:Ah, the quintessential Rue argument on global warming, sectarian as ever. If the evidence doesn’t support what rue wants to know about global warming, then dismiss it.
Originally posted by rue:
These were the major points under discussion. Did I address regional (v global) climate change? Rising ocean levels? Extreme climatic events? No. How are your comments anything but a straw man argument?
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Not sectarian.
You derailed the discussion I was having with someone else, with extraneous points of YOUR own, and with demands that I respond to YOU YOU YOU, or be called names, by you.
I need to get a lot of things done in the near-term, and debating you is very low on my list, pretty much where YOU put yourself. When I get the time, I'll think about discussing the IPCC report in detail with you, with quotes. My first impulse, though, is to not reward your behavior with an ongoing dialogue.
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Okay. Good luck with that. 
That's dramatic. I never took you for a drama queen. With the bold print and capital letters.
You take care.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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