Browncoats UNITE!! **Movie Spoilers**
POSTED BY: FallenAngel
UPDATED: Saturday, December 31, 2005 14:10
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sounds like this guy had it in for the movie before it started. He gets all bent out of shape because he hears a couple of fans being excited over the BDM, and this ANNOYS him? Hey buddy, take your own damn advice and just enjoy the movie.
I agree. From the his own writing this caveman had it in for the movie from the beginning:
- "he seems to have decided to prey on my deep-seated loathing of fanboys."
- "One look at the crowd told me I was way off base."
- "Internally I started plotting elaborate plans to exact my revenge for this."
- "The evening progressed steadily downward as it became apparent to me that not only was this crowd an obsessive sci-fi geek squad, but they called themselves browncoats, a reference that had me thinking of them as some sort of pitiful offshoot of the Hitler youth."
- "Why do geeks feel the need to war against each other based on whatever particular sci-fi/fantasy show/movie/anime/comic gets their panties moist?"
- "This last point comes from hearing the self-righteousness of geeks who insist that this movie came to life because they wouldn’t let Fox off the hook for killing their beloved show. Personally I’d say it’s a lot more likely that Universal saw an opportunity to stick it to a rival studio by grabbing a disgruntled former employee in Joss Whedon. I really don’t think they gave a rat’s ass about the immense devotion of the brownshirts to their buried show."
Where to begin?
This dimwit shows his complete and utter disrespect for any fanbase with his incessant use of the term "geeks". The fact of the matter is that any fans of any show I have ever met could probably talk circles around this ape, have a higher I.Q. (just judging by their broader use of the language), and are far more respectful and courteous. Guess this boy's mother didn't raise him right.
His comparison of Browncoats to Nazis is completely out of line. Good thing he doesn't live near me and dueling was long ago outlawed or I would be looking for a second and deciding on pistols or swords even as I type this post. Again I blame his lack of couth on poor upbringing.
That being said Browncoats, I would disregard this third string tripe for the refuse it is, and the "writer" for the hack he is in reality. Had we listened to naysayers like this pompous windbag, Firefly would have never been released on DVD, we would have no BDM, the series would not be set to reair on Sci Fi, not to mention all the shiny books and other merchandise to be released soon.
So, let us Browncoats and that disgruntled ex-Fox employee Joss Whedon laugh as the BDM is a big success while this sad little king on a sad little offal hill sits in his apartment alone.
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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
No, he's not comparing Firefly fans to Nazis. He's saying that the term "Browncoat" is awfully close to the old Nazi associated term "Brownshirt."
Ok, I'm a bit of a history buff. I read history books for fun (currently reading one about Emperor Hadrian). I participate in a historical recreation group (Ok, the SCA is more fun-recreation than accurate-reeecreation, but still). Also, admittedly most of my interest is pre-Civil War (in most cases it's way pre-Civil War).
But, how is it that I've never heard the term "Brownshirt"? Is this some deep dark secret that history professors only teach to a select few? Or is it more commonly taught in Europe than the US? I really did pay attention during my history classes, honest.
--Bleyddyn
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Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:Quote:No, he's not comparing Firefly fans to Nazis. He's saying that the term "Browncoat" is awfully close to the old Nazi associated term "Brownshirt." He's not wrong. And he's not the first one to mention it, either. I've seen other Firefly fans complain about the same thing.
Originally posted by bikisdad:
Oh, come on, people! Comparing Firefly fans to Nazis? That goes way beyond just being offensive.
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All the terms "Browncoats" and "Brownshirts" have in common is the word "Brown". In his so-called review he specifically referred to us as BrownSHIRTS, another term for Nazi henchmen. There's nothing about that usage that is anywhere close to valid. Are you a Nazi? I'm not a Nazi. And if anything, the Browncoats in the Firefly 'verse are the anti-Nazis, being AGAINST the big, bad government and all.
It's one thing to give the movie a bad review. That just means the guy is stupid, which is forgivable. It's another thing to refer to the movie's fans by one of the most vile terms imaginable. That's not stupid, it's reprehensible.
If you don't mind him calling us Nazis because of his obvious pre-judgment and complete lack of understanding of both the show and its fans, that's fine. However, don't tell me that I shouldn't be pissed off by it just because some people can't tell the words "shirt" and "coat" apart.
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Originally posted by Bleyddyn:Quote:
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
No, he's not comparing Firefly fans to Nazis. He's saying that the term "Browncoat" is awfully close to the old Nazi associated term "Brownshirt."
Ok, I'm a bit of a history buff. I read history books for fun (currently reading one about Emperor Hadrian). I participate in a historical recreation group (Ok, the SCA is more fun-recreation than accurate-reeecreation, but still). Also, admittedly most of my interest is pre-Civil War (in most cases it's way pre-Civil War).
But, how is it that I've never heard the term "Brownshirt"? Is this some deep dark secret that history professors only teach to a select few? Or is it more commonly taught in Europe than the US? I really did pay attention during my history classes, honest.
--Bleyddyn
In pre-WWII Germany, the Nazi party consolidated control of the country partially through violence and intimidation perpetrated by thugs called "Brownshirts". They were, however, a sort of "unofficial" faction of the Nazi party - not directly tied to Hitler. To make them more familiar to you, they eventually transformed into the very official Gestapo during war time.
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Quote:That would be the War Between the States that you're referring to?
Originally posted by SimonWho:
I have to agree that Firefly/Serenity might attract a certain Confederate element but that's just one of those quirks of history: a group that wanted freedom because they wanted to keep others enslaved (yes, I know, a gross oversimplification of the civil war, so sue me).
Nah, I won't sue you here. Best be careful, though. There are some Southern states that never really quite surrendered when General Lee did.Speaking for my own self, my grandmother's family came across the pond from Scotland (Glasgow-way) thanks in large part to the Clearances. I think anyone who has a personal history that involves some manner of civil conflict or oppression by a far-distant monarchy or governing body would be attracted to this series... which would probably be just about anyone who knows their personal history and takes some measure of value in it.
For me, Browncoat is the same as saying Johnny Reb or Jacobite (Pre-CUllodon Scottish resistance) or Maquis (French Resistance, WWII) and the like. "Independent" in my mind brings up certain political connotations, and as I haven't gotten my 2004 campaign apology yet, all politics are still banned from my sight, so far as I'm concerned.
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It's not a deep dark secret. The brownshirts were some of Hitler's thugs in Nazi Germany. You can look them up online or in a history book on Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.
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Quote:No one’s saying you shouldn’t be pissed. Be pissed all you want. I think you’re being pissed about the wrong thing, is what I’m saying here.
Originally posted by bikisdad:Quote:If you don't mind him calling us Nazis because of his obvious pre-judgment and complete lack of understanding of both the show and its fans, that's fine. However, don't tell me that I shouldn't be pissed off by it just because some people can't tell the words "shirt" and "coat" apart.
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:Quote:No, he's not comparing Firefly fans to Nazis. He's saying that the term "Browncoat" is awfully close to the old Nazi associated term "Brownshirt." He's not wrong. And he's not the first one to mention it, either. I've seen other Firefly fans complain about the same thing.
Originally posted by bikisdad:
Oh, come on, people! Comparing Firefly fans to Nazis? That goes way beyond just being offensive.
You saw the word “Nazi” and because of it’s horrific connotation, you’ve completely disregarded everything around it – like context and his entire point in mentioning it – and have convinced yourself that the writer called you (or Firefly Fans) a Nazi. He did not call Firefly fans Nazis, nor did he equate Firefly fans to any Nazi regime, nor did he liken the two groups’ behaviors to one another, etc. (Did I miss it? Cuz if I did, then yeah, I'd be rather annoyed....)
From what I read, what he did – as others have done in the past and probably will do in the future – is state the very simple opinion that he thinks the term Browncoat is too close to Brownshirt.
(People in Milwaukee, WI threw such a fit over a carnival ride named "Xyclon" because it was too close to the name "Zyclon," which was the gas Nazis used; the Public got that ride banned... or was it just renamed...? Either way, inital perception created a negative connection, resulting in public outrage over the name of a kiddie ride. To me, that's as foolish as connecting Browncoats with Brownshirts.)
Until recently, I’d never heard of the "Brownshirts" and therefore never even knew to think that it was too similar to "Browncoats." However, it is possible that people who have heard the term may be more apt than you to think the same as the writer. That’s all he's doing and saying. It’s a very simple initial thought.
If you take all that out of his write up, as a whole, it wasn't really a very negative review. I've read a lot worse.
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HK, I'm not saying he didn't get the idea from incorrectly comparing the words BrownCOATS and BrownSHIRTS.
Look at Browncoat1's posting above where he quotes from this idiot's article..... OK, have you looked? At the very bottom, and this is after he made the coat/shirt comparison, he specifically calls the people who support the show/movie "BrownSHIRTS". That is what I find goes way beyond offensive.
If he wants to be an idiot and compare the two words incorrectly, let him be an idiot. However, he very specifically CALLED US BrownSHIRTS, in other words, Nazis. There's no way you can gloss over that and say that that isn't what he was saying.
EDIT: Besides, saying the words Browncoats and Brownshirts are similar is just as ridiculous as saying the words cannon and canon are similar. They may look slightly alike, but their meanings couldn't be more different. If this guy doesn't understand that simple concept, then he shouldn't be writing anything anywhere as a professional writer.
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I don't see what the big deal is. He wrote he didn't hate the movie and that some things could be tightened up in editing.
You guys gotta loosen up some. Geeez.
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Originally posted by bikisdad:
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