Are you allowed to shout 'FIRE' in a burning auditorium?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, June 25, 2005 00:15
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We have a nuclear power plant up here in Vermont, what a shoddy piece of
And I am absolutly all about fusion.
But rain forests, man! Mother Earth's free air-processors! We need 'em, don't ya think?
Tree huggin' Chrisisall
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Quote:Not exactly free. In some cases a Brazilian family must go without farmland to keep the rain forests in tact.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
But rain forests, man! Mother Earth's free air-processors! We need 'em, don't ya think?
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
In some cases a Brazilian family must go without farmland to keep the rain forests in tact.
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You mean the rainforest must know when to say the right thing, or it'll get cut down?
Anyway, you're right, it's not an easy fix.
Spank that tactless forest Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
We have a nuclear power plant up here in Vermont, what a shoddy piece ofit is. Fires, spills, cracks, bad management...now if you mean well designed, well run facilities, well that's another story.
And I am absolutly all about fusion.
But rain forests, man! Mother Earth's free air-processors! We need 'em, don't ya think?
Tree huggin' Chrisisall
I used to live in South Florida, one of the places that has a nuclear power plant providing energy needs. I have to say, regular reports of poor maintenance and upkeep plagued that plant as well.
But really, you have to look at what you're talking about.
Most Nuclear Power Plants were built in the 70's. Some were built earlier. They are rarely, if ever, shut down for in depth maintenance. So if you've got a 30 year old power plant that's never been given a good refurbishment, you're going to have problems.
It'd be nice if each area was powered by two independant nuclear plants, each able to assume the other's function during a regular 5 year maintenance cycle.
--Ant
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
We have a nuclear power plant up here in Vermont, what a shoddy piece ofit is. Fires, spills, cracks, bad management...now if you mean well designed, well run facilities, well that's another story.
And I am absolutly all about fusion.
But rain forests, man! Mother Earth's free air-processors! We need 'em, don't ya think?
Tree huggin' Chrisisall
You know, Yankee Magazine ran an article about power generation in Vermont this month. A brief summation could go like this;
Power guy: We get all of our power from Montreal Hydro and Vermont Yankee. Our contracts with them are up in a few years and the fixed price of electricity will rise. We need to generate more electricity.
Environmental guy: I agree.
Power guy: Let's build more nuclear power plants.
Environmental guy: NO! Vermont Yankee is a horror show! Nuvlear power is unsafe and produces waste that is dangerous for thousands of years.
Power guy: Okay, let's build some conventional coal plants.
Environmental guy: NO! Coal plants spew tons of pollutants into the air and scrubber technology causes acid rain.
Power guy: Okay, let's build liquified natural gas plants.
Environmental guy: NO! LNG is a ready made bomb and a target for terrorists.
Power guy: Okay, solar.
Environmental guy: NO! Solar is a blight on the landscape.
Power guy: Okay, windmill farms.
Environmental guy: NO! They cause visual pollution and violate Vermont's pristine mountain skylines.
Power guy: Urk! (turns red, foams at the mouth, collapses and dies of heart attack/stroke)
Environmental guy: Hey! The lights went out. (lights a candle, curses the glare and quickly blows it out for fear of polluting the environment or setting the building on fire.)
You can't have cheap power and no pollution. You have to accept some compromise. Nuclear power actually produces less waste material by weight/KW hour than any other type of power. Otherwise get ready to pedal a bicycle whenever you want to watch TV or surf the internet.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
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The one thing is why the Rain forest is being 'cut down'? (the slach & burn is what is used the most) Anyway the forest is being turn into land for cows for fast food; hambugers. mooo. Also there are still small tribes of poeple living in these areas, but not for long
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/05/16/brazil.tribe.ap/index.htm
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We should turn the dry parts of the U.S. (the ares where nothing grows/lives) into masive solor power stations, & also offshore windmills (they can kick out a lot of power). These windmills maybe huge, but if you have ever seen a super cargo ship 10 miles out to sea, they are small (the size is what most complain about). But most of the time you can not sea that far out because of the smoge &/or fog (Bay Area).
This would cost big bucks, but the long term they would cost less. No waste storage, no tranportion of fuel costs, no fuel costs (coal is the most used to power us in the U.S.), no workers for daliy stuff (like a power plant needs), little to no moving parts to brake down, the only thing is UV damage, up-grades, or storm damage
http://www.climateark.org/articles/2000/1st/nseasite.htm
"How little do you mortals understand time. Must you be so linear, Jean-Luc?" -Q to Picard, in "All good things..."
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Quote:There does seem to be a lack of appreciation for scarcity in the Left-wing environmentalist camp.
Originally posted by Hardware:
You can't have cheap power and no pollution. You have to accept some compromise. Nuclear power actually produces less waste material by weight/KW hour than any other type of power. Otherwise get ready to pedal a bicycle whenever you want to watch TV or surf the internet.
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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Yeah, those left-wing environmentalists think it can all be made right using solar, like we can just put it all into place everywhere (like Seattle-uh-huh) and presto! no polution anymor-
Hey! Wait a minute... Are you lumping me in with them?
Anyway, that reactor I mentioned is, from time to time, messing up the Conecticut river, and if that's the price for cheap power, I could understand that, but people fish in that river as if it's never had a problem. They aren't aware that the fish they get from it is as likely as not to have some pretty heavy duty toxins in 'em.
If the power authority would just tell us the river is no good to fish in now, I'd have no problem with that. But they keep saying that the river's still clean, mostly. ( I did not have sexual relations with that woman...Miss Lewinsky...)
All I am saying is give truth a chance.
There is some price to be paid for everything, and grown ups will understand this. Er, I mean won't they?
Or am I living in a dream world Chrisisall
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Quote:I don’t know. Nuclear power is not generally cheap. It’s as much as twice as expensive as coal and gas power. The advantage of nuclear power is that it is clean. I don’t know anything about the reactor you are talking about. It is possible that it is poorly run. Though I think, more likely, you may either be overstating the risks or you may have been told things that have been exaggerated, or both. It seems quite common for people to assume nuclear power is dirty and dangerous. This is not generally true.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Anyway, that reactor I mentioned is, from time to time, messing up the Conecticut river, and if that's the price for cheap power, I could understand that, but people fish in that river as if it's never had a problem. They aren't aware that the fish they get from it is as likely as not to have some pretty heavy duty toxins in 'em.
Quote:At least the truth that you want to hear, right?
Originally posted by chrisisall:
If the power authority would just tell us the river is no good to fish in now, I'd have no problem with that. But they keep saying that the river's still clean, mostly. ( I did not have sexual relations with that woman...Miss Lewinsky...)
All I am saying is give truth a chance.
Quote:Depends on what grown-ups you’re talking about, I guess.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
There is some price to be paid for everything, and grown ups will understand this. Er, I mean won't they?
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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.
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