Do you think President Bush and his administration are doiing their best?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, June 13, 2005 15:48
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SIMONWHO

Sunday, June 12, 2005 1:41 PM

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Originally posted by lynchaj:
Yes, its easy to sit back and nitpick, malign, and insult from the safety of whereever you are.

Unbelievable, I get the chance to use two appropriate Fry & Laurie quotes in one thread (although the original name is question is Margaret Thatcher, the exact same principles apply, so I'll just substitute as appropriate):

"Well, of course, he's absolutely right. It is ludicrously easy to knock George Bush, isn't it? It's the simplest, easiest and most obvious thing in the world to remark that he's a shameful, putrid scab; an embarassing, ludicrous monstrosity that makes one frankly ashamed to be American. That's easy, anyone can see that. There's nothing difficult about that. But after tonight, no-one can accuse us again of failing to come up with something to take his place."

*produces a wire coathanger*

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 12, 2005 4:59 PM

Thank you Rue, for the best reply on the thread.
* Presidential-type music starts to play* Ya got my vote.

Campainin' for Rue Chrisisall

RICKKER

Monday, June 13, 2005 7:08 AM

This goes back to LYNCH. What exactly has the administration done right? Please tell me. One thing, thats all I ask.

PIRATEJENNY

Monday, June 13, 2005 8:19 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Do you think that The present administration is doing what they believe to tb the correct things regarding the war in Iraq? I mean, nobody believes they are out to do harm, right? In the larger picture, they mean to stabilize the region, and stem the flow of terrorism, right?
Saddam was a jerk, we can all agree on that. Isn't it that some of us disagree with the methods, or the particular decisions regarding what actually needs to be done as opposed to what doesn't?
Some parents tell their kids getting a shot won't hurt, knowing full well that it will, and decide this is best for the child.
The whole WND thing was surely a lie (or exaggeration, at best), but wasn't it all for the right thing, at least in the minds of our leaders?
I make fun some, but I'm really interested to find out how people feel on this. Maybe President Bush and co. feel and truly believe that an imperialistic (in a good way) America with qualified and limited civil rights is the way to go for our economic and physical saftey and security in the future.
I'd like to think that so many dead and wounded to achieve such limited success was not their goal, after all.
Center or Edge, I value your thoughts.

Uncharacteristically serious Chrisisall

YES YES YES!!! Unequivically yessssss

I think Bush and his administration is doing everything in their power to acomplish thier goals, the only thing is their goals are not the ones that they claim

SIMONWHO

Monday, June 13, 2005 1:33 PM

The reason why Bush is so hated is that America has a very high standard to live up to. Bush and many of his supporters seem to think that even if they're only slightly better than the psychotic, inhumane, bigotted terrorists, that makes them the good guys.

If America was some tinpot dictatorship, then sure, you could kidnap children, lock them up without charge, torture them (mildly or not, it's still torture), etc, etc and people wouldn't really notice or care. Hey, it's happening in your preferred trading partner (Clinton's judgement) all the time. But you're America. Land of the free. Home of the brave.

Bush is acting like someone who got pushed in a bar and promptly produced a machine gun, firing it wildly into the dark. Compare that to previous leaders, such as Harry Truman, who had the sense and compassion to introduce the Marshall plan, helping those countries that had been at war with America just a few years before. The result? A free and prosperous Europe.

That's the history and standard America now has to live up to. Instead we have an isolationist President, alienating his allies one by one (well, all right, dozens at a time), pushing all the attention away from real issues onto things that really don't matter a damn (constitutional amendments to back up religious beliefs?). There's no hatred for leaders like Olusegun Obasanjo or Lucio Gutierrez because we have such low expectations of them. If people didn't love what America could and should be, they would just shrug it off as another bad ruler in another bad country.

There's about 250 million of you. Seriously, how could George W. Bush and John Kerry be the best leaders available to you?

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Monday, June 13, 2005 2:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:
Bush is acting like someone who got pushed in a bar and promptly produced a machine gun, firing it wildly into the dark. Compare that to previous leaders, such as Harry Truman, who had the sense and compassion to introduce the Marshall plan, helping those countries that had been at war with America just a few years before. The result? A free and prosperous Europe.

Your comparison is poor. Perhaps you need to read a little further about post-war Europe, particularly the parts about the pacifying of Germany by both the Americans and the Brits (the Soviets as well, but unlike the US or Britain, they really were a brutal totalitarian nation.) Pacifying and democratizing a country that has experienced many years of totalitarian rule and political turmoil is not a simple or clean business. We didn’t do it in Europe without getting our hands dirty or making a few mistakes and we aren’t going to do it in Iraq, no matter how loud the anti-Bush camp screams; it’s just not realistic.

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Qui desiderat pacem praeparet bellum.

HERO

Monday, June 13, 2005 2:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SimonWho:

There's about 250 million of you. Seriously, how could George W. Bush and John Kerry be the best leaders available to you?

Well your half right. I think the Democrats could have put up a much better candidate then John Kerry. Did you see his grades? That fellow's aint got the smarts to run no White House.

Say what you want about Bush, but he got better grades then Kerry and was smart enough to learn to fly planes for the military. Kerry drove a boat, a skill he shares with millions of Americans across the country.

H

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 13, 2005 2:47 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
their goals are not the ones that they claim

piratejenny, you are a Conspract Theorist.
You have a habit of straying to the edge, and not being able to back up your statements with documentation.
This of course does not always mean you're wrong.

Fellow Conspiracy Theorist Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Monday, June 13, 2005 2:53 PM

Hero, you should complete Andrew's training. He can destroy Bush. Together you could rule the galaxy as father and son.

...couldn't resist Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Monday, June 13, 2005 3:11 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Say what you want about Bush, but he got better grades then Kerry and was smart enough to learn to fly planes for the military. Kerry drove a boat, a skill he shares with millions of Americans across the country.

H

I also heard he's a good dancer. ....

Not sure if you were going for sarcasm here, HERO, but quote just sounds kinda pathetic as a defense of the leader of the most powerful nation on earth.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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