UN Inspectors Told To Leave Iraq Immediately
POSTED BY: Haken
UPDATED: Monday, May 10, 2004 04:48
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Call me stupid, but I didn't understand that. Maybe because I think that the Revers might be a part of the Alliance but that would mean that Sadaam and the US...wha?...okay, no, I'm still confused. Can you put that in other, other terms?
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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.
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You REALLY don't understand????
Or are you just kidding?
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It is my firm belief that American reporting is the best in the world in most ways. Why?
Competition. No other country has media quite so competitive. Sure, evil vampire tycoons could be controlling every channel, every reporter, every paper...NOT!
Please try to understand - because of this competition, each media group must try to be the best at what it does. Some address niche markets-Conspiracy Paranoid Daily, for instance. But mainstream American media has to compete in a vast and discerning market. Calling us, the citizens of the US, ignorant and uninformed begs the issue.
They can't afford to be wrong, or lie, or steal, because every other group will be watching. Local papers in distant countries may have different takes on events than USA Today, or CNN, but what makes it a more truthful take? Nothing.
Reading about events described in a government controlled, government run, government censored paper in Iraq could hardly be expected to have an unbiased account.
Reading about events described in a local German paper, the same Germany that decided not to back us, the US, might not really be unbiased.
Just having many sources doesn't make you brighter or righter, don't you understand?
For good social and economic reasons, I've always felt American media is just about the most trustworthy in the world. Not perfect. Not only. Just among the best.
While you are welcome to feel differently, be aware of how that effects your credibility. I've seen some wild-ass statements here, stated as fact, that completely lack credibility. You may have an opinion, you may state your opinion...
Don't expect your opinion to be transmuted to fact simply because you wish it.
tanstaafl
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Quote:Don't blame your lack of facts on me. It's not my fault you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Thegn, your impassioned call to liberty would be stirring and uplifting if it were only based in reality. So as not to confuse you with a long list of facts, which you apparently skipped over, let me put this in terms you might understand:
The USA is the Alliance, not the Rebellion. Sadaam is a Reaver, not the Alliance.
Who is the Rebellion?
And I don't know what is with your little analogy here.
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In the Dark Ages, Romano-Celtic Britannia was over-run by Viking-like cultures collectively called the Anglo-Saxons. They were led by warlords called Drytinns, and the greatest warriors among them were the Thegns.
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Hmmm... you apparently didn't read my previous posts, which were basically just lists of facts...backed up by declassified documents.
I'd be willing to go rounds point by point, except that I don't think you'd be willing to listen. Even if I showed that you were wrong... point by point and incontrovertible fact by fact, I bet you wouldn't change your mind.
But if you ARE willing to listen honestly, as I am, then I'd be happy to engage in discussion.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
It is my firm belief that American reporting is the best in the world in most ways. Why?
Competition.
Actually, I don't believe this is true. First of all, almost all stations are private. Meaning they depend on the money of the advertisers to survive. So they are NOT independent. They make the mood but they also have to follow the mood.
In Germany, we have private stations, too, but we also have several stations financed by the public. Everybody who owns a TV or radio has to pay a certain amount, which gets distributed to those public channels. That means they are not dependend on advertisements (it also means that they have show very few ads, what a luxury :-)) and are free to report what they want. And there is also a certain competition between them. I don't see a real competition, when all stations yesterday just showed CNN the whole night.
Talking about CNN, thats another thing I noticed: what CNN calls news are very few facts with hours and hours of air. Bla bla bla, we got this expert here speculating and another one speculating and bla bla bla. But there are no background stories, no deep information. During the war in Afghanistan, after 9/11, did they ever bring a background story on why Afghanistan became such a poor and destroyed country? Did they ever discuss that US and Russia used Afghanistan to fight their war and that both those countries supplied the warlords with weapons to utterly destroy the country after the two big players left - and totally forgot! - Afghanistan for 15 years?
Accept it: US is not always the best in the world
. There is a whole big world out there...Merl
Sorry, couldn't keep quiet :-)
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To lighten the mood a bit, I just got this joke (had to translate it, so wording might be a bit awkward):
Last month, the UN asked worldwide following question:
"Please let us know your honest opinion how to solve the lack of food in the rest of the world"
Unfortunately the answers were not satisfying.
In Africa, the people didn't know what "food" is.
Eastern Europe didn't know what "honest" means.
Western Europe didn't know "lack".
The Chinese never heard the word "opinion".
The Middle East asked, what they meant with "solve".
South America didn't know the word "Please".
And in the US, nobody knew what they meant with "the rest of the world".
That joke actually describes another thing I noticed when watching the news here. The news are all about US. Okay, now they are about Iraq, but only because of the US involvement. No wonder Mr. Bush didn't get the name of the canadian president right - do you ever hear about this guy in the news? Or Mexico - do you ever hear news about them? Those are your closest neighbours, but just from watching the news, I wouldn't even know how their countries are shaped.
The only radio channel I found to send both American and International news and background stories is the PRI channel. But everything in tv you can just forget about it - its entertaining, but thats it.
Merl
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That is hi-larious!!!
And the news today- you are right, they are just trying to be entertaining, not actually informative.
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Albert Einstein
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Merl, you are so right. I read the news online from several sites and I subscribe to the Economist (which is surprisingly pro-war but, being a non-US publication, still provides excellent well-rounded coverage). So I try to get a global perspective. But as Molly Ivens pointed out, most U.S. media is not asking the difficult questions, delving deep into the mire to find the "truth". But instead, they simply regurgitate what the government tells them to say. They never seem to ask, "well, but is that the truth?" Oder ist es nur mich?
I continue to read the posts on this board and am in awe of the narrowness of vision. There are tons and tons of "facts", both current and historical. But the pro-war posts seem centered on the basic argument: Saddam bad. Must be killed.
Well, yes, everyone agrees on that. But it seems the pro-peace people are more concerned about the much wider ramifications and implications of this war. The war is a stone dropped in a pond. The pro-war people are focused on the big splash. The pro-peace people are focused on how the ripples will cover every inch of the pond. Even more things to think about: There have been recent reports of how the war will destroy extremely valuable archaeological sites (after all, it is the birth-place of modern civilization) and it will cause irreparable ecological damage whose affects will be felt beyond the immediate region (including radioactive shrapnel used by armour-piercing weapons that will scattered everywhere).
Nic, you are right on target. We all hear the news coming down the pipeline. It is our duty to listen and to THINK, not simply accept.
Kaythryn keeps asking about alternatives to handling Saddam. Hmmmm...I can't answer that one. But what I do have to say is are you asking the right question? Why now? Why alone? I have yet to hear a good answer to these aside from the "saddam bad man" answer. There is a plethora of domestic problems that are crippling our country. What about those? What about a president who makes unilateral decisions in a "democracy"? What about our own government torturing its prisoners?
Wulf keeps attacking other people for not questioning their "facts" while spouting more of his "facts" and never questioning them. No entiendo o tal vez no entiende. Let's be fair. We ALL have to question our facts. Just because we don't agree with something, doesn't make it untrue. Wakarimasu ka?
To other pro-peace-ers, the protest in SF last night was awesome! Wet but awesome. I could just feel the power of the people surging...or maybe it was just my wet shoes. No Armageddon! Sigue la paz!
"...morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with" - Mal
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Merl, you are so right. I read the news online from several sites and I subscribe to the Economist (which is surprisingly pro-war but, being a non-US publication, still provides excellent well-rounded coverage). So I try to get a global perspective. But as Molly Ivens pointed out, most U.S. media is not asking the difficult questions, delving deep into the mire to find the "truth". But instead, they simply regurgitate what the government tells them to say. They never seem to ask, "well, but is that the truth?" Oder ist es nur mich?
I continue to read the posts on this board and am in awe of the narrowness of vision. There are tons and tons of "facts", both current and historical. But the pro-war posts seem centered on the basic argument: Saddam bad. Must be killed.
Well, yes, everyone agrees on that. But it seems the pro-peace people are more concerned about the much wider ramifications and implications of this war. The war is a stone dropped in a pond. The pro-war people are focused on the big splash. The pro-peace people are focused on how the ripples will cover every inch of the pond. Even more things to think about: There have been recent reports of how the war will destroy extremely valuable archaeological sites (after all, it is the birth-place of modern civilization) and it will cause irreparable ecological damage whose affects will be felt beyond the immediate region (including radioactive shrapnel used by armour-piercing weapons that will scattered everywhere).
Nic, you are right on target. We all hear the news coming down the pipeline. It is our duty to listen and to THINK, not simply accept.
Kaythryn keeps asking about alternatives to handling Saddam. Hmmmm...I can't answer that one. But what I do have to say is are you asking the right question? Why now? Why alone? I have yet to hear a good answer to these aside from the "saddam bad man" answer. There is a plethora of domestic problems that are crippling our country. What about those? What about a president who makes unilateral decisions in a "democracy"? What about our own government torturing its prisoners?
Wulf keeps attacking other people for not questioning their "facts" while spouting more of his "facts" and never questioning them. No entiendo o tal vez no entiende. Let's be fair. We ALL have to question our facts. Just because we don't agree with something, doesn't make it untrue. Wakarimasu ka?
To other pro-peace-ers, the protest in SF last night was awesome! Wet but awesome. I could just feel the power of the people surging...or maybe it was just my wet shoes. No Armageddon! Sigue la paz!
"...morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with" - Mal
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