Gitmo abuse

POSTED BY: BarnStormer
UPDATED: Friday, June 24, 2005 06:00
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BARNSTORMER

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 9:11 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/07/opinion/main700174.shtml

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

CONNORFLYNN

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 10:18 PM

Ugh.. who gives a flying F***, really!

Why can't they let this thing go?!?!?!

CBS leading the charge on another banal, lets do everything we can to embarrass the Bush administration regardless the cost or the risk to US troops, even under the guise of "Oh people are propagandizing the whole affair", whilst in italics "We consider this a confirmed incident".

I wouldn't have a problem with it, if it wasn't bullshit, that in my opinion is small potatoes and puts our men and women at a heightened risk. For what? a goddamned book!! I don't hear anyone screaming that Saudi Arabia imprisoned a bunch of Christians for holding mass. Where's the Outrage amongst the American Journalists? There isn't any. It's all about trying to create more bad news, so it generates more trouble for our service people and indirectly creates more trouble for Bush and company.Which creates more news. It's like they (The Big Media, Fox, CBS, CNN, ABC, NYT, all the propaganda machines of the US) WANT mass American casualties, by doing everything they can to incite the Muslim world. It's criminal and treasonous in my opinion.

Go after Bush and his cronies all you like. Hell, bring them down. But do it legitimately and for legitimate reasons.

Every freaking news agency that keeps bringing this up deserves to be boycotted period. Now if we had gone in and slaughtered these Gitmo detainees..screw it.. Prisoners of War, then there would be something to bitch about. Frankly they still have their heads, they still get 3 squares a day and hopefully eventually they will get a fair hearing.

Someone gets beheaded and they spend 30 seconds on it. Someone pisses on a prisoner's holy book and it's the end of the goddamned world. The only thing more exciting to the Big Media is whether or not the Runaway Bride should go to jail for life or whether or not Michael Jackson showed his weenie to a minor.

It makes me sick. Anybody who thinks this is "IMPORTANT" news needs to get their f***ing head examined.

pardon me, *grabs a bucket* ,I must be pregnant..nope, just saw another CBS "Breaking News" bulletin.

MINDSEYE

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 12:48 AM

>Someone gets beheaded and they spend 30 seconds on it. Someone pisses on a prisoner's holy book and it's the end of the goddamned world.<

That about sums it up. Nice post!

Freedom - Peace - Serenity

CONNORFLYNN

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 1:15 AM

LOL sorry for the heat of that post. I'm feeling a little testosterone heavy LOL. Long day at work where I work with 3 Zealots and 2 heathens. If thats not enough to drive me over the edge..they start talking politics.

No offense was meant to Barnstormer. It wasn't pointed directly at you. I think I'm suffering from the male form of PMS LOL

I guess I need to go watch a good MMA fight LOL

Peace

BARNSTORMER

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 2:01 PM

Hey Connerflynn,

No offense taken. I posted that link to show just how much BS is being spouted about abuse at Gitmo (the American Gulag I mean).

edited to add:
I thought the CBS report was very positive towards the troops in Gitmo.
end edit:

It just bugs the crap out of me to see what was in that report versus what the Media headlines have been focusing on.

IMHO those boys and girls serving in Gitmo are models of Honor and Human Dignity. We should be proud of them, not bashing them in misleading and sensationalist headlines.

The Muslim extremists of the world act like base animals in comparison to the coalition troops.

Am I a Lion?... No, I think I'ma tellin' the truth.

BarnStormer

CONNORFLYNN

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 2:20 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BarnStormer:

I thought the CBS report was very positive towards the troops in Gitmo.

Look a little closer at the fine points. I'd like to see our boys and girls come home, so the media can find a new target.

Like Paris Hilton and a Taco Bell Commercial LOL ? How about John Kerry actually having a lower GPA then GW?..nah..that would be too funny roflmao.

How about Paul Wolfowitz having all Chinese made military berets sold as surplus stock (even though taxpayers already paid for them) in protest? Followed by the purchase of new ones from Wolfowitz approved sources LOL
http://www.defense.gov/news/May2001/n05032001_200105032.html

JADEHAND

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 7:56 PM

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Connorflynn wrote:

*reads* *laughs* *nods* *applauds*

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RUE

Thursday, June 9, 2005 8:44 AM

The article was written by John Hinderaker, a contributor to Power Line (blog) and a contributing writer to The Weekly Standard. (Both hard-right conservative publications.) It uncritically quoted only the very best of the report.

Reading the report, many of the more serious incidents are 'resolved' something like this: there was a past log note about Koran mistreatment. No one got details at the time. We didn't follow up either. So, since nobody bothered, it's unconfirmed.

Remember, this is the same army that couldn't find prisoner abuse in Afghanistan, Iraq or GITMO (until a guard at Abu Ghraib sent those infamous photos to his dad back home.)

As for the riots in Afghanistan, as VOA reported

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http://www.voanews.com/english/2005-05-12-voa74.cfm General Myers also told reporters at the Pentagon Thursday that the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, General Carl Eichenberry, disagrees with the reports that protests in the city of Jalalabad were caused by anger over the alleged Koran incident.
"It is the judgment of our commander in Afghanistan, General Eichenberry, that in fact the violence that we saw in Jalalabad was not necessarily the result of the allegations about disrespect for the Koran, but more tied up in the political process and the reconciliation process that President Karzai and his cabinet are conducting in Afghanistan. He thought it was not at all tied to the article in the magazine," he explained.

It all started innocently enough.

Quote:
(US State Department) According to initial reports, the situation in Jalalabad began on May 10 with peaceful student protests

Quote:
(Reuters May 10 2005) The students blocked the main road to Kabul but there were no clashes with police who kept watch from a distance, a witness said.

By the next day

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(Radio Free Europe May 11 2005) From Jalalabad, RFE/RL's Afghan Service correspondent Dawood Wafa said the protests started around 8 a.m. local time at the medical faculty of the city's university. Wafa said police opened fire after demonstrators started throwing stones at homes, cars, and offices.

Quote:
(AP)An Associated Press Television News cameraman said the crowds grew larger and wilder after the firing and that the streets were deserted of traffic.

Peaceful protests were the norm in most areas. However, outrage over the shootings, which were seen as heavy-handed ('ya think?), polarized protests which became increasingly violent in Jalalabad and spread to other cities and several countries:

Quote:
(AP June 12 2005) Police fired on hundreds of anti-U.S. demonstrators Thursday in the town of Khogyani to prevent them from departing toward Jalalabad, about 20 miles to the north, local police chief Maj. Gul Wali said.

and a slightly different accounting of the same incident:

Quote:
(Reuters May 12 2005) Angry villagers in a district southwest of Jalalabad, some of them armed, tried to march to the city but were blocked by police, officials and witnesses said.
Protesters threw stones at police and eventually gunfire broke out and two protesters were killed, said district chief Muhammad Omar.
"The protesters were armed but they didn't fire at police," said villager Shair Ali.

And so on.

It's a far cry from the simplistic propaganda you all idiotically parrot.

OPUS

Thursday, June 9, 2005 1:01 PM

Putting so much faith in the truth of a biased press (AP,CBS,CNN etc..etc.) is what's iditotic.
The WAY this has been reported, the fact that it is being reported on with such intensity is obscene.
The koran is a 'book', not a person, it can't be abused. By their definition, an infidel just touching it is disrespecting it or abusing it. So forgive me if some of us really don't take stories of abusing a book too seriously.

Opus

Knowledge is power
Power corrupts
Study hard
Be evil

RUE

Friday, June 10, 2005 3:25 AM

The issue I have is that the Administration says the Newsweek article 'caused' violent protests and Newsweek (and the rest of the media) should learn its lesson and go away and be quiet. And people (including you) blindly parrot that.

How much is 'too much being made' of the story?

While the story appears to have generated peaceful protests (not b/c people were protesting the story, mind you, but because they were protesting US actions), protesters being shot by troops caused the violence.

The US actions it portrayed were obviously deeply offensive to Muslims, and certainly that deserved reporting. (Unless you want to crawl back into the hole of ignorance until the next terrorist attack, so you can ask - why did this happen ??)

The Administration couldn't seem to stop lathering over it in press conference after speech. They even got the Pentagon to reverse course and hammer at Newsweek. Every speech and press conference, and their attempt to tell Newsweek what it should publish ended up as news.

Then of course there's the echo chamber that can't stop telling people it's not a story and they should stop talking about it. I dunno, do you want your forum taken away?

In the end, oops, the Administration tried to spin the whole thing (spin takes lots of press) and ended up amplifying it all out of proprotion. So, did they REALLY want it to go away?

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