how did river get the gun?

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SERGEANTX

Thursday, June 9, 2005 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by YT:
There are a lot of threads dedicated to order, but the majority opinion on this site is reflected on the left side of the home page.

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . . (wutzon) Stones, "Love In Vain", from "Let It Bleed"

Are you sure about that one? I mean, it's not worth an argument, but I was always under the impression the episode listing on the home page was the order of production, since at the time the list was compiled correct narrative order was unknown.

Since then, Joss has stated several times that the correct narrative order is the one on the DVD's. Did I miss something?

SergeantX

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SHINYSEVEN

Thursday, June 9, 2005 12:22 AM

Hey, Knibblet-did your diary ever say "Today I was pompous and my sister was crazy"?

1. I don't ship Rayne, but some people do--in which case Jayne *surely* would not want an investigation of when River was in his bunk
2. It could have been *Book*'s gun maintained in case a hostile kneecap drifted past
3. Someone could have scavenged Dobson's gun (in fact we've seen Jayne snurching things); he might feel that it was accurate to deny that it was his gun if it was Dobson's and he merely informally inherited it.

DUCESTECUM

Thursday, June 9, 2005 1:15 AM

Having read the responses that followed your question I thought I would put in a word. I just watched OIS again a couple of days ago. It was my understanding that there was no question about whose gun it was, that it definitely belonged to Jayne.

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TALLGRRL

Thursday, June 9, 2005 2:15 AM

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Originally posted by YT:
It's a writing mistake. Jayne is not a skillful liar, and Adam plays it as if he's telling the truth, but in the Message, Tracy picks up a loaded gun, one of two laying there unattended. Even if they aren't Jayne's, loaded guns laying around is hardly cause for comment.

"writing mistake"? hardly.
jayne left his gun on the deck. might've been cleaning it, might've come back from a job and put it down to put away booty, and hadn't gotten back to picking it up and taking it back to his bunk. he knows better than to leave guns laying around...especially with river around. but he did.
he's not a skillful liar and he even said he was trying to steer the conversation away from "let's blame jayne". he had you convinced.

but not mal. mal knew what jayne did.
he's not gonna come out and say "oops. sorry." especially when it comes to mal.
it was a recipe for unpleasantness, and jayne didn't want to get the blame.
river was walking around. we saw her walking around. she saw the gun laying on the deck. we saw her see it. she saw it as a twig, and picked it up. we saw her do that.
the gun didn't materialize.
she wasn't carrying it around.

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YT

Thursday, June 9, 2005 2:37 AM

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Originally posted by Tallgrrl:
jayne left his gun on the deck.

You're missing the point.

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Originally posted by YT:
loaded guns laying around is hardly cause for comment.

Jayne's Desert Eagle (I knew it was his as soon as I saw it) isn't the only loaded gun laying around for someone else to pick up, in Firefly.

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . . (wutzon) Grateful Dead, "Playing In the Band", from "Dick's Picks vol 14"

YT

Thursday, June 9, 2005 2:46 AM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
it's not worth an argument, but I was always under the impression the episode listing on the home page was the order of production, since at the time the list was compiled correct narrative order was unknown.

Not an argument, just a contrary impression. And now that you have called it into question, I can't recall when or how I came by that impression.

Keep the Shiny Side Up . . . (wutzon) Stones, "It's All Over Now", from "12 x 5"

CLAUDIUS

Thursday, June 9, 2005 2:53 AM

If River can kill Jayne with her brain, presumably, then what is to stop the gun from just being there using here "brainpower"
Yes I know this sounds goofy but I say this:

A LOADED GUN IS NOT LEFT LOOSE ON THE DECK OF A SHAKEY SPACESHIP

All those people on board should know how DANGEROUS A GUN IS
and someone would notice that gun where it was, its not hidden or anything

Ever heard the term "loose cannon" this is a similar (yet not exactly the same) case
In my opinion this is the only logical answer

I am sorry for all the caps lock stuff, just trying to get my point across

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KIZZIECSTARS

Thursday, June 9, 2005 6:45 PM

KIZZIECSTARS

Thursday, June 9, 2005 6:45 PM

it is definately a valid point.

maybe someone on the crew took it out of jayne's "stash" and left it there by accident, but then didn't want to own up and have everyone blame them - if jayne aint a good liar, maybe he really is telling the truth.

just a thought...

two by two...

BLUEBOMBER

Thursday, June 9, 2005 7:17 PM

This exact issue was debated in another thread some time ago, but I can't remember which one...Somebody brought up the idea that River somehow read Jayne's mind for the combination to his locker, went into and got the gun, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Nor am I convinced that the gun was 'just laying there' in the middle of the floor where she could pick it up. The whole situation to me is one of those I just take it at face value. The scene may be taken literally, then again it may not be. Who can fathom the mind of River?

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