how did river get the gun?

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EST120

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 12:11 PM

in objects in space, how did river get the gun? if river was perceiving the gun to be a tree branch, then she probably did not have it until she stepped on it in the cargo hold, but jayne claims he never leaves his guns around and certainly not loaded. is jayne lying to remove blame? did river subconsciously go into his room? i guess the most logical explanation is that jayne is not being honest, but what does everyone think?

KNIBBLET

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 12:30 PM

River seems to experience fugue states - who knows what goes on in that interesting brain when she's off exploring the black of her own mind.

I think she stepped right into Jayne's bunk and took it. His method of 'locking up' weapons seems to be storing them behind a tatty blanket.

I had better security on my first diary since I hid that sacred text beneath my mattress. This gave me two blankets, sheets and a layer of softness - many more layers of security than Jayne utilizes.

"I'm gonna rip you a new puppet hole, bitch!"

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Knibblet:
River seems to experience fugue states - who knows what goes on in that interesting brain when she's off exploring the black of her own mind.

I think she stepped right into Jayne's bunk and took it. His method of 'locking up' weapons seems to be storing them behind a tatty blanket.

I had better security on my first diary since I hid that sacred text beneath my mattress. This gave me two blankets, sheets and a layer of softness - many more layers of security than Jayne utilizes.

"I'm gonna rip you a new puppet hole, bitch!"

'Locked up' could simply mean the door to his room was locked.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

YT

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 8:36 PM

It's a writing mistake. Jayne is not a skillful liar, and Adam plays it as if he's telling the truth, but in the Message, Tracy picks up a loaded gun, one of two laying there unattended. Even if they aren't Jayne's, loaded guns laying around is hardly cause for comment.

The dialogue about guns is just to set up Mal's last line where, glaring, he steps close to Jayne & says, in a low voice, "Is that the direction you want this conversation to go in?", reminding Jayne & us about Ariel, and pointing up that Simon & River haven't figured it out yet (that happens in Trash). If anyone realized that Jayne's statement was contradicted by several scenes earlier in the series, I guess the payoff was just too good to pass up.

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STEVETHEPIRATE

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 8:51 PM

Don't forget, Trash comes before OiS in the narrative. Simon and River knew about what Jayne tried to do on Ariel, but Mal was the only other one that did. That line was in reference to everyone else on the ship, in particular Zoe and Wash, since they were the only other ones on the bridge at the time.

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YT

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:01 PM

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Originally posted by STEVEthePIRATE:
Don't forget, Trash comes before OiS in the narrative.

There are a lot of threads dedicated to order, but the majority opinion on this site is reflected on the left side of the home page.

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BIKISDAD

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by STEVEthePIRATE:
Don't forget, Trash comes before OiS in the narrative. Simon and River knew about what Jayne tried to do on Ariel, but Mal was the only other one that did. That line was in reference to everyone else on the ship, in particular Zoe and Wash, since they were the only other ones on the bridge at the time.

Yes, exactly. Although, while Jayne knows that Mal knows and Jayne knows that Simon and River know; Mal doesn't know that Simon and River know. So Mal thinks he's the only one who knows about Jayne's betrayal at that point. He basically thinks he's keeping Jayne's secret from the whole crew.

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:18 PM

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Originally posted by YT:
It's a writing mistake. Jayne is not a skillful liar, and Adam plays it as if he's telling the truth, but in the Message, Tracy picks up a loaded gun, one of two laying there unattended. Even if they aren't Jayne's, loaded guns laying around is hardly cause for comment.

The dialogue about guns is just to set up Mal's last line where, glaring, he steps close to Jayne & says, in a low voice, "Is that the direction you want this conversation to go in?", reminding Jayne & us about Ariel, and pointing up that Simon & River haven't figured it out yet (that happens in Trash). If anyone realized that Jayne's statement was contradicted by several scenes earlier in the series, I guess the payoff was just too good to pass up.

I have to say you couldn't be more wrong - the whole exchange was carefully considered, and Adam's choice is correct - Jayne was:

1) Being honest. He doesn't leave loaded guns around. Other people may, he doesn't.
2) Making sure he didn't get the blame - and inadvertenly walking into more trouble. Totally in keeping with the character and the continuity.

It wasn't a cheap "gag" - that script is incredibly layered.

"I threw up on your bed"

YT

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 9:44 PM

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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
Other people may, he doesn't.

Do you know something Mal doesn't? Why does he chew Jayne out when River happens to pick up one of his guns, instead of one of the others laying around?

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MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by YT:
Do you know something Mal doesn't? Why does he chew Jayne out when River happens to pick up one of his guns, instead of one of the others laying around?

Jayne knows it wasn't his gun (whether it was or wasn't) - that's why he says it.

Mal chews Jayne out because Jayne asks for it - they don't get on; who else's gun would it be in Mal's mind?

Not his, clearly.
Not Zoe's, he wouldn't even think that.
That leaves just Jayne.

"I threw up on your bed"

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