UN Inspectors Told To Leave Iraq Immediately
POSTED BY: Haken
UPDATED: Monday, May 10, 2004 04:48
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Ach mein Gott! Dios mio! My God! This room is getting a bit hot. Can someone open a window and cool things down?
Believe it or not, though I do not want this war, I am not brain-dead, as Talrius so eloquently stated. And contrary to Wulf's beliefs, I am a reasonable person. I just happen to disagree. I have a different viewpoint, fueled by different information. Which information is correct is anyone's guess. That is why this issue is so divisive...precisely because we don't really know what to believe.
"...morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with" - Mal
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It's most certainly about oil, this US aggression we are about to witness (well, the rest of the world will get to witness it... American corporate media will show us colorful maps, cool graphics and cleansed imagery designed by ad agencies).
Who do you think will own and run those oil fields when Iraq is "liberated"? The Iraqis? The UN?... No and no.
The new owners of Iraq's oil supply will be the same multinational oil conglomerates who owned the fields before Sadaam Hussein came to power. In fact, the planning for this is already established and has been for awhile. You see, when Hussein took over as leader of Iraq, he nationalized the oil fields. Rather than doing it Castro style and just stealing the fields, Hussein cut each of the oil companies a hefty check for all the oil-drilling apparatus they installed. This must have seemed fair to him. But he kept the black gold and directed all future profits to his nation (and mostly himself).
These same oil companies have been clamouring for an invasion of Iraq for a long time now. Dick Cheney was a big cheese at one of these companies, Halliburton, during the Clinton years I do believe.
The Bush family is an oil family. Without oil no one would ever have heard of George Bush jr. or sr. (sounds like paradise on Earth to me!). Though they moonlight as a political family, the Bush family is still a heavily invested oil family to this day. They will only become richer and more powerful once the ownership of the Iraqi oil is returned to the multi-national oil companies.
So don't tell me this war we are about to watch on American TV (censored and sanitized) is about freedom, fighting terror or any of that rubbish. That stuff is just a dream we are being asked to believe is true.
We had a coup here in the U.S. in 2000. Now we are reaping the rewards of that coup. At the expense of the economy. At the expense of healthcare. At the expense of education. To paraphrase David Cross, "George W. Bush does not give a sh*t about you or your family or your town..." and the spilling of American blood is about to become the greatest expense America pays because of this.
I am deeply empathetic to any and all who have family and/or friends in the Gulf region (I am among that group). I personally am working daily as a peace activist to bring all Americans back home albeit in the alive fasion. But I cannot support the president or the war for there is no honor in him nor in his actions (George W. would make a lousy Klingon). He will only succeed in enraging the world and making day-to-day life harder for Americans. We truly must defeat this man in '04.
Peace,
mattro
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*looks longingly at the gloves*
Look, Merl, you're all over the place here. Maybe you're just arguing for the fun of it, and I do understand that. 
Understand, if you'll try, that there is no ONE reason for this upcoming conflict. In the same vein, there really is no one overriding reason to avoid it. In the balance of things, it's our turn to clean the toilet. And really, if nobody does, it don't get no cleaner, now does it?
tanstaafl
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Originally posted by merlindrea:
PS: And why do I have the distinct feeling that the pro-war people here are the more rude and aggressive fraction? Must be all those testosterones...
This is completely unhelpful:
Yeah... I'm swimming in testosterone.
End completly unhelpful.
Further, no one here is pro-war. I don't think anyone, regardless of their vehemence is all about blowing people up. I'm not anti-war and I think that's the phrase others might use as well.
As for today's sojourn into "containment" I just got to say: Hellooo?!?! Vietnam?! Hellloooo?
And whoever made the point about the Clinton administration paying terrorists off: Right on. Hell yes that's half the issue at this point. There's a policy of appeasement and containment for you.
And you can bet your last grenade-free apple that North Korea is watching these events unfold like it's the last 2 hours of American Idol, y'all.
Or maybe that was the end of completely unhelpful.
Sarah
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Further, no one here is pro-war.
I apologize if my English was not hitting the mark. However, if somebody believes that in the current situation there is no better solution than to go to war, then I would see that as pro-war?
However, even though I still believe that there is only one big driver for the US government, I acknowledge that there are a lot of different reasons for the single person to support the war. I don't have to agree with it. And regarding the "unhelpful" comment: seems there are quite some unhelpful comments in this thread, which is really sad - and kind of de-idealizing (does that word make sense?) for me...
Wulf, sorry that I dared to answer yet again. I will try to be silent now.
Merl
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Originally posted by merlindrea:Quote:
Originally posted by Sarahetc:
Further, no one here is pro-war.
I apologize if my English was not hitting the mark. However, if somebody believes that in the current situation there is no better solution than to go to war, then I would see that as pro-war?
Pro-war would seem to indicate that I, in supporting the war, am in favor of it from top to bottom. That's not the case. And I'm not in favor of war in general.
It's like the difference between "pro-choice" and "pro-life." The Pro-Choice people don't want to be called "pro-killing-babies" and the Pro-Life people don't want to be called "anti-choice" or "all-about-being-barefoot-and-pregnant." See where I'm going?
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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Don’t be silent merlindrea. All comments welcome. This is such a difficult topic to talk about, so much information, and it is hard to tell what is the truth. Keep posting, the only way any of us will come closer to an answer will be to keep talking about it....Anyone remember when this used to be a firefly posting page???
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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.
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I for sure like to see the involvement and intelligence of fellow browncoats, even if we've wandered a bit into the woods here.
tanstaafl
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Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
I for sure like to see the involvement and intelligence of fellow browncoats, even if we've wandered a bit into the woods here.
tanstaafl
Sometimes the woods is the only place you can see a clear path.
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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Originally posted by Sarahetc:Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfhawk:
I for sure like to see the involvement and intelligence of fellow browncoats, even if we've wandered a bit into the woods here.
tanstaafl
Sometimes the woods is the only place you can see a clear path.
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
And sometimes you just end up running into a bunch of trees.
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