Seat Belt Laws - The Latest Ad Campaign

POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 7, 2005 02:46
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RUE

Saturday, June 4, 2005 2:58 AM

We're birds in a cage, focused on finding a comfortable perch, oblivious to the owners of the cage.

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, June 6, 2005 3:14 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM: However, you will never achieve anything better if you think we can take on corporations as individuals.

I believe individuals can absolutely take on corporations (or rather big money/big business) if corporations didn't have government backing them. Corporations get their power FROM the government, so how could be be controlled BY the government? I agree there is a need to change the laws drastically--but change the laws to involve the govt LESS rather than more. The only true sustainable solution is to divorce big business from government, and allow small businesses to take them on in a true free market. When you have poor sole proprietors taking on rich sole proprietors, with no legal protection for either party, it becomes a totally different, consumer-driven game.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

CANTTAKESKY

Monday, June 6, 2005 3:33 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
If we get rid of that law tomorrow, how exactly will you go about assessing each situation to make sure that you would be making the correct one?

Remember, the government (or the law) is itself a body of men--usually notably ungoverned. If I let THOSE men choose "correct" decisions for me, I'd be nothing but a child or automaton. It's time to kick the American public out of the authoritarian home and let them grow up and make "correct" decisions for themselves.

I personally assess seatbelt usage risks by looking at traffic, speed, my mental alertness. Mostly my mental alertness. If I'm asleep, I'm nothing but a crash dummy who can't react and I strap up. If I'm driving in a traffic jam that changes speed frequently and suddenly, I strap up.

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On the legal side, you actually do still have a choice in obeying the law or not. You'll just have to face a civil penalty rather than a physical one.

If I don't pay the civil penalty, I face a very real physical threat. Fines may look like you have a choice to pay--but they are backed up by bench warrants and guns. How about no penalty at all? Like no penalty if I don't use a condom, or brush my teeth after sweets, or fart over a lit match, or any number of perceived stupid things I might choose to do?

Really, this discussion ultimately has little to do with seatbelts. It has to do with whether people should be allowed to govern themselves or whether they need other people (presumably more well informed and more well educated) to control their personal habits for them.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

SIGNYM

Monday, June 6, 2005 5:04 PM

Can't- It sounds like what you're saying is that the problem starts and ends with the government. I totally agree. But while we're changing government, let's make sure that we change important things- like NAFTA and laws of incorporation and liability, IP, fiduciary duty... oh and BTW remove the "due process" and free speech protections from synthetic persons- instead of cutting off our own protections.

CANTTAKESKY

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 2:14 AM

SignyM,

I can't believe it, but I agree! :)

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

WILDBILL

Tuesday, June 7, 2005 2:46 AM

"... let's make sure that we change important things- like NAFTA and laws of incorporation and liability, IP, fiduciary duty... oh and BTW remove the "due process" and free speech protections from synthetic persons- instead of cutting off our own protections."

Damn straight.

"I never ride with anyone who doesn't wear their seatbelt. One of my rules."

SERENITY NOW!!

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