WMD in Iraq? Nah, nothing to see here, move along...

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JASONZZZ

Sunday, June 5, 2005 8:03 PM

We need some more tags to clearly denote what each of us are saying, our moods, and our intentions, it's clearly not conveying across and all we are doing is adding each of our own perceptions and reading the comments/posts thru these personal filters...

maybe adding:

a [ humorous ] tag
a [ I am about to say something that is very opinionated and will challenge your steadfast perceptions ] tag

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HKCAVALIER

Sunday, June 5, 2005 8:11 PM

Ack, here I go again!

Andrew Lynch, I have a question for you and anyone else who wants to weigh in, 'cause I'm actually interested to hear how people see history.

Do you agree that there was a time when Saddam was not a menace? When he was our wedge against Iran? Okay, then, when was it that he became a menace and how? Far as I know he was always a murderous lunatic, but he somehow blossomed into a menace one day. No one here has ever made any claim that Saddam was innocent or kind, only that he was not the menace that people one day started saying he was. So what day was that?

HKCavalier

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SIGNYM

Sunday, June 5, 2005 9:30 PM

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Iraq possessed materiel in clear unambiguous violation of the terms of the agreement that temporarily ceased Desert Storm. Previously, I posted a link where Saddam's Iraq possessed leftover WMD in the form of numerous chemical munitions, nuclear technology (the centrifuge and design information), biological weapons research and materiel (granted mostly...

Not mostly. Completely.

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...from the early to mid 1990's but they never fully accounted for the balance either), not to mention blatant violations of the restrictions on rockets and missiles, including the Al Samoud weapons I believe you pointed out earlier. Just because you arbitrarily dismiss my supporting evidence does not mean it is invalid, it is just that you do not agree with it.

The evidence did NOT point to an ongoing program. There was no production of WMD, hence there could not have been stockpiles of WMD. As far as the accounting issue- except for mustard gas, WMD decays very quickly. Anything unaccounted for would have been useless. That was why UNMOVIC was about the certify that Saddam was in compliance.

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Now, could the US and UN have found more clear and better examples of chemical and biological weapons?

It would have been more suportive if they had found any evidence of recently produced WMD of any sort. Or any evidence of an ongoing production program. Which they didn't. I know this seesm to be a very hard concept for you to accept, but the report is quite clear. Either accpet the results, say thaye they were incompetent, or say they were lying. Stop blurring the data.

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 5, 2005 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by lynchaj:
I do not know what is in your heart but I see your words and the words of others here. There is no doubt in my mind the left and the MSM comprise a strong "anything goes" attack on GW and anti-US message

Okay, no jokes in this one. I feel lucky and privilaged to live in one of the most open, prosperous, and diverse countries in the world. Regardless of my objections with my government's actions or inactions, I'm an American. Always will be. I love America.
I love my father, too. But once while he was drunk, he started hitting my mom. I was only fourteen, but I challenged him. He stopped.
If you love your country or your parent, that's no reason to accept whatever they do, it's all the more reason to try to help them see the right thing to do.
With a country it's called patriotism.

Patriot Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 5, 2005 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:
We need some more tags to clearly denote what each of us are saying, our moods, and our intentions

I agree, Jason. Maybe 'ironic', 'don't take this seriously' or 'this is gonna sting' emoticons are needed.
I tend to mix it up, and let the reader make his/her own conclusions (which is not always a good thing). Must be why I like Joss' work so much, ya never can tell where he's headed 'till he gets there.

The sometimes confusing Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Sunday, June 5, 2005 10:56 PM

"America-Haters", "liberal wackos", "blame America first", etc., etc.,
The problem with these phrases is that they are used so often, and so poorly, that they've come to mean nothing at all. They've become merely evasions to avoid dealing with criticism. In general, when I see them in an argument I read: "I don't have a rational response to your criticism and I don't want to talk about it."

I'm curious how someone can really love America, or even understand what it means to be American, when their idea of defending it involves trying to shut people up with knee-jerk accusations of disloyalty. I'm not an America-Hater, but I'm growing to hate those who have adopted this phrase as their mantra.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 5, 2005 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by lynchaj:
Just because we never found a big warehouse with a sign over it saying "Saddams Weapons of Mass Destruction -- The Home of WMD Bargains!" doesn't mean Saddam was not a dire and grievous threat.

I went back to the beginning of the thread. You know, Andrew, come to think of it, last time I looked, I didn't see any WMD's in your garage, but I guess I shouldn't rule you out as a threat, either.

Psst!...Your logic may be in question.

Guilty 'till proven innocent Chrisisall

SERGEANTX

Sunday, June 5, 2005 11:29 PM

Here's an interesting article concerning what I was saying earlier about the irrelevance of WMD's. This is the kind of thing I wish more Bush advocates would come clean on so we can have as some serious discussion of the matter.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12230

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 5, 2005 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
I'm curious how someone can really love America, or even understand what it means to be American, when their idea of defending it involves trying to shut people up with knee-jerk accusations of disloyalty. I'm not an America-Hater, but I'm growing to hate those who have adopted this phrase as their mantra.

Hey SergeantX, why don't we make up our own...Blind Government Stooge Idi- NAH. That would lead to purposeless name calling...wouldn't it?
Seriously, tell me I'm wrong, heck, tell me I'm crazy, but don't mislabel me and tell me I shouldn't be expressin' myself just 'cause my view might make you uncomfortable! If someone accuses me of being a Martian, it wouldnt get me pissed, 'cause it's just stupid. If what I'm saying is stupid to anyone on these threads, why should that get them angry?
Only thing gets me angry (a little) is having my words twisted to the convienience of the person who disagrees with me to somehow support an unreasonable bias.
Okay, I'm tired, I don't even know if that made sense outside my head.

T-t-t-that's all, folks Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Sunday, June 5, 2005 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by SergeantX:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12230

Oh, come on Sarge, there's a lot of facts and words there in that. Wouldn't sit well with some. Can't have too many considerin' their arguments based on that type of thing, now.
Good night, now.

Y A W W W N Chrisisall

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