UN Inspectors Told To Leave Iraq Immediately
POSTED BY: Haken
UPDATED: Monday, May 10, 2004 04:48
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The problem, Sarah, is that it's not our oil. Just because we want it, and the U.S. is big and tough, doesn't mean we have the right to take it.
I wish Fox had the power to cancel Bush.
Has YOUR mom seen Firefly, lately?
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Here's my opinion,
I don't think that this war is for oil. A lot of people say that, and it might be one thought in the back of the governments minds, but we are going to war for other reasons. The oil issue is one that anti-war people bring up a lot. They use it because it sounds like a selfish reason to kill people. I agree. But we are going to war to stop an over controlling dictator from oppressing his people, we are going to remove biological weapons and weapons of mass destruction, and we are going in hopes of stopping future terrorist actions that have mostly been born of Iraq or at least from Saddam Hussein. The UN came up with something of a list of demands for Iraq. This was years and months ago. Iraq only did a few things on their list, just enough so the UN would give them more time, and still more time to complete, and they have used this extra time to build up more weapons, and more recruits. The longer we could of waited, the longer Iraq would have to do more harm.
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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.
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Check out the news right now people, Bush is talking about all of this live.
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Jayne: Hey, I didn't fight in no war. Best of luck, though.
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Originally posted by Succatash:
The problem, Sarah, is that it's not our oil. Just because we want it, and the U.S. is big and tough, doesn't mean we have the right to take it.
I dig you. Thing is, we're not going to take it. We're going to go over there, whoop Saddam, set up a nice transition government and start buying the oil.
"Hey, y'all want to be free-like. Go where you want, talk to who you want, stuff like that?"
"Yeah!"
"Want us to give you money for that oil?"
"Yeah!"
"Well, yeehaw! The bombing starts in 15 minutes."
Sarah
I'm a dying breed who still believes, haunted by American dreams. ---Neko Case
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Originally posted by merlindrea:
Just look towards Afghanistan. US has promised so much, but just left the mess to the European governments. Right now, the US is not keeping promises to give money to schools, hospitals etc there. It does not even help to keep the peace, this is done by European armies again. And what peace? Only in Kabul and even that is not considered safe. How do you want to secure a much bigger country?
Sorry -- never posted here before but I couldn't not respond to this.
This has hardly been left to the European governments. Our troops are still there. And no, it's NOT just the European armies that make peace. We're still in South Korea, Bosnia, the Middle East and Afganistan. We've hardly just thrown money at the problem to make it go away. And we need to have some patience. It's been about a year and a half since we've been there. The country was in civil unrest for the at least last two decades, if not more -- hardly going to clear up overnight.
Yes, I'm morally opposed to war. To say it's bad is an understatement. No one wants to go to war. I certainly don't want to see hundreds or thousands of people hurt or killed. But this is a crazy man and he has a lot of power. When he finally gets his arsenal up to what he wants it to be, he's going to attack -- maybe not the US, but somewhere. And I guarantee, he won't be issuing a 48 hour warning.
And we don't just leave the peace keeping to our allies. We're still in South Korea. We're still in Bosnia. We're still in the Middle East. And we'll be in Afganistan for a long time to come. We're not in these countries because we want to be, we've been asked to be there. Popular opinion of the people comes and goes in these places, but I guarantee we would not be in these places if the governments didn't fully comprehend what our absense would mean.
I'm not try to sway opinion of get anyone mad. This is just my opinion. Trust me, I'm upset about this too. But how long do we sit back and watch? It's already been 12 years. We can no longer just hope this will go away. We waited too long to get involved in WWI and WWII. It's sad to think that someone might have intervened earlier and prevented millions of deaths.
Last thing -- as far as Saddam once being our ally. Yes, that's true, but so was Stalin once.
--SLynn
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"The only way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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I don't think Americans comprehend the world situation as it stands. The world was behind the United States after 911. The headlines in France declared 'We are all Americans Today'. 
Eighteen months later, the US is pretty much alone politically. Britain and Spain are both officially on board, but face enormous divisions at home. Why? Why has the States gone from such a powerful political position to such a weak one?
I guess I can think of a couple of reasons.
The Bush administration withdrew support for the Kytoto Protocol without even offering the pretense of an alternative. Managing in the process to offend every other signatory of that document, and they don't even recognise the damage that this caused.
The Bush administration withdrew from the anti-ballistic missle treaty and mortally offended the Russians, not to mention everyone else who was involved.
The Bush administration refuses to even negotiate with regards to the International Criminal Court thereby insulting every single other country that recognises the need for such a body. Apparently Americans do not need to be held accountable when they screw up.
I bet there are other examples, these are just the first that leapt to mind.
The Bush Administration has done an abysmal job of making the case for war with Iraq. The information linking Al Qaida and Iraq is not substantiated - even the CIA doesn't believe it. (Just remember - not one of the 911 hijackers was Iraqi.)
The proof that Iraq was acquiring nuclear weapons was faked. Who by? Good question.
Before everyone jumps on me for being critical of this war, I want to express my support for it. Saddam Hussein is a scary, narcissistic megalomaniac. He needs to go.
I just wish that an administration that was more intelligent, competent, farsighted and better versed in world politics was making the decisions. An administration that was not quite so eager to alienate other countries, and then think that by waving money at respective governments they can buy, or blackmail their compliance.
Lots and lots of intelligent well-informed people feel that this 'little' conflict is the precurser to WWIII. Just remember, WWI was started by the assasination of Arch Duke Ferdinand in the Balkins - not the centre of the universe.
In the last few months before the election, George W. Bush didn't even know the name of the Prime Minister of Canada (at that time, Prime Minister for 10 years, mind you!!!, and Canada was then and still is the largest trading partner the US has). He called him 'Jean Poutine'. Poutine - french fries that are popular in Quebec. (Don't even start with me about Freedom Fries - that is just embarrassing...)
I want to post a link to a New York Times OP/Ed column by Thomas Friedman that you might like to take a gander at. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/opinion/16FRIE.html
Unfortunately, I think war with Iraq is inevitable - I also think that the aftermath is equally inevitable. I would not be surprised if the US hasn't just played directly into Osama Bin Ladin's hands. America, isolated against the world; the butt of every terrorist attack going. And this time, the French won't be declaring "We are all Americans Today".
Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe and Lao-Tzu and Einstein and Morobuto and Buddy Holly and Aristophenes .. and all of this .. all of this was for nothing unless we go to the stars." — J. Michael Straczynski
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Originally posted by SLynn:
Last thing -- as far as Saddam once being our ally. Yes, that's true, but so was Stalin once.
--SLynn
Yeah, when Saddam was our ally, one of his Mirage F-1's "accidentally" nailed the USS Stark with two Exocet missiles and killed 52 of our sailors.
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Nicola, you are talkin like a victim.
No real scientist believes or supports global warming. Much has been said, written, studied, and lied about it, but mostly, it don't exist. Don't take my word, but don't take their word either-check it out yourself.
Russia NEVER honored the darn abm treaty, abusing and secretly breaking it within months of signing. Futhermore, STARWARS hadn't been dreamed of outside the pages of pulp scifi mags at the time, so no provisions could apply to modern systems. Lastly, do you have ANY idea why the original abm agreement came to be? Did you miss the Cold War? The nuclear standoffs? Have you noticed that one of the signitories NO LONGER EXISTS?
And that's Alliance talk, trying to let foreign courts try our soldiers. They won't let us, the US, try their soldiers, will they? Don't doubt, we have the moral and legal high ground there.
Victims try to avoid being victimized by allowing bullies to do what they want, hoping not to attract attention. You've been bullied into believing crap, tricked into accepting propaganda as truth.
I ain't no victim.
All evil needs to prosper is for good to do nothing.
tanstaafl
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Nicola, thanks. You said it much better than I could!
For me, it is really scary to watch the American news. This brainwashing whats going on - if somebody repeats a rumor often enough, it becomes truth. Like, that the terrorist danger will diminish when Saddam falls. On the contrary. Nicola is right, what is happening right now is exactly what Bin Laden wants - separating the world into enemies.
Or this righteous argument that we have to attack them because they are a danger to the world. With this argument, you would have to attack half the world - Iran, India, Pakistan, China, North Korea and more. Where does it end? And anyway, Iran is much closer to nuclear weapons than Iraq and also more likely to have terrorist linkages, so?
I feel as uncomfortable as everybody and I accept the argument, that if America had stepped in earlier with WW2, it might have saved many many lifes. But as Nicola said - I just don't see that this government has a plan for what comes after (besides jumping on the next enemy). Thats the big difference to WW2.
Merl
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