* SPOILERS * Will There Be Sequels and Will Non-fans Understand *SPOILERS*
POSTED BY: Litwolf689
UPDATED: Sunday, October 9, 2005 01:06
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Quote:This is the first time I've truly regretted reading a spoiler.
Originally posted by shambleau:
I think Wash's will work on the level of shock and surprise, even if it won't churn their guts the way it did mine.
I just got a wave of numbness through my body, similar to the one I got when I heard about the untimely passings of Douglas Adams, Richard Biggs, Tim Choate, John Ritter & Christopher Reeve.
My next thought was, "Wash can't die! Who's gonna fly Serenity?"
Then a horrible thought struck me, "Oh my GAWD! Does Wash fly an empty Serenity on a kamikaze run?!"
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My next thought was, "Wash can't die! Who's gonna fly Serenity?"
I think you'll like the answer. It's pretty cool.
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Quote:If the answer's "River", then you'd be right!
Originally posted by chapter11studios:
I think you'll like the answer. It's pretty cool.
But, seriously, I think of Wash and Serenity as one (not quite as inseparable as Pilot and Moya are on Farscape, but you get my drift)!
And who's gonna be the "funny one" now?!
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Originally posted by cljohnston108:
And who's gonna be the "funny one" now?!
Bob Saget
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Quote:Ewwwwwww!
Originally posted by placidity:
Bob Saget
I didn't see his name on the cast list!
That's an even bigger shock!
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The movie plot was great - and I loved it. But I am also worried about the newbies. The best part about the series is the relationships, and I hope in the editing process the relationships are more fine tuned even though I know it is hard to develop all of the history in such a short space of time. I understand the reality of the death, but I wonder if Joss could have made the enormity of it better hit home.
That Zoe and Wash have this great marriage is not clear in the films to newbies. I think there could have been more "marital relief" when she comes home safe on the mule, and a few seconds more gut wrenching grief from her try to pull that thing out of him, tears, anger - remembering she is foremost his wife. A few more seconds of her vunlerability would mean something, before Mal snaping her back to soldier mode. It just went too fast, and felt too systematic - we know she is going to have to switch to autopilot, bit I think we need a few more seconds to grieve and for the awful truth to sink in. She's just lost one family member in the Shepherd. The shock is (and should be to everyone) a little ovewhelming and crumbling for her.
Overall just loved it - I hope the newbies will too.
At the end with Mal on the ship, a little flicker of emotion to make him ask after her as a person, not just as a soldier, would betray how much we all will miss his character.
*I loved Zoe's dress at the funeral scene* the holigrams though - did anyone else think they were a bit cheezy. Mr universe did fine, but it just didn't seem right for him to be buried with them. The funeral scene in the series was treated with more respect and emotion.
The scenes with Mal and Inara too was someting you wanted the newbies to more of a hint of the sexual tension between them. Remember the first starwars the hope it gave with the "kiss for luck". enough to keep you wondering and wanting to come back to the story. I loved her without ornamentation, but I would have hoped for him not to be walking away, for her to attract his attention by reaching out and touching him, and for their dialogue to be held standing closer together - the distance and lack of intimacy made me feel that there was no hope for them.
K
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Yeah, I really thought that when Mal was "cowboying up with his guns he was gonna go save Wash, especially after he & Zoe had that discussion about not leaving a man behind. Then I thought ok River is gonna kick some ass and then save Wash. But it never happened. So I was left with this thought. Fine then at least show me Zoe alone in her room, either breaking something, or hitting the wall, or quietly sitting with one of Wash's dinos. Just something!!!!!! And yes get rid of the gorram holograms on the headstones. Just give me blank stone cold reality headstones.
On the drive home from Dallas today I kept thinking over the show & especially the deaths. I understand the whole point of "there's real stakes" But I just didn't feel it. Let me put it in a very Jossverse way. It was like Doyle's death, when it should have felt like Wesley's.
Now continuing on my thoughts. So what did we accomplish??? I don't know. I've been wrestling with the whole "signal" thing. I understand, it's a movie. not as intimate as the series. But the whole idea of uploading the signal so the verse knows that the alliance is bad, just seemed very out of place from the whole find a crew, find a job, keep flying idea. But I guess you need the more world impacting heroic moment of "revealing the truth, sending the signal" for the sake of the big screen. What do you all think?
Ok done with my thoughts for now.
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Will non fans understand it? For the most part, assuming they pay attention the whole film, yes.
Will it hit them the same way? I'd say no... like the big stuff that happens to the Alliance at the end, doesn't mean as much to a non-fan as it does to a series fan.
I brought a non-fan to the Boston screening and he enjoyed it immensely, is toying with buying the DVD of the show now. However, he was confused about Book's relationship to the crew and who he was, and also Inara's.
Still I think it's the dialogue and the humor which will endear it more to the casual audience than anything else.
As for a sequel, I sure as hell hope so. Above all, for fans and non-fans, the movie was simply FUN, even if you just paid attention to the dialouge nad nothing else. It had the kind snap crackle ride that the old Star Wars movies had.
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My opinion... Joss had to write two movies in one. Sort of like a poem that if you read the words with one cadence and emphasis it means one thing, but if you change the cadence and timing of the words it means something else. It must have been unimaginably hard.
On the one hand, he had to write a movie that primarily advanced the characters' relationships for the browncoats. It also had to close a story line... but really that was a secondary requirement for the Browncoats I think. Hence, Wash's death was "stomach churning" for us. And the epic feel of the story, while nicely executed, was perhaps a little unsettling for some Browncoats who truly loved the intimacy of the series.
On the other hand, he had to write a movie for the non-browncoats who weren't already invested in every single character and their relationships with each other. They will go for the epic story. The relationships are, to a degree, only "sketched in" for them. Hence, Wash's death will tend to fall into the "genre death" category for them... an interesting and likable redshirt. That crowd will like or dislike the movie based on the "can't stop the signal" theme and the effort/sacrifice to make it true.
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie. But to do so, I had to let go of my desire for the intimacy of the series... i.e., to be happy with 13 hours of family development in an action setting, and also to be happy with 2 hours of action story in a family setting. Shift in emphasis.
[slightly off topic... my personal reaction was to grieve far more for Wash than Book. And as much as I HATED to let him go, I had to understand the reason behind it. It is false to the premise if you say that they live on the very edge of survival, but not a single one can slip off of it. I think it had to happen that way to be true to the story.]
I'll call it a win. I think Joss did what he set out to do. I am optimistic for a sequel. If Joss gets the opportunity, I think that it will fall into the somewhat rare category where the sequel is better than the original because by then, even those who never saw the series will think of the survivors as family. The series browncoats and the movie browncoats will have met in the middle.
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I haven't been around in some time, I have been trying to stay away from any mention of the movie until I had seen it. I went to the Miami screening last night and loved it.
I have seen every show Joss has done and have every comic but for some reason could not believe that one of ours would die, let alone two very popular ones. Naw, docs gonna fix up Book, wait, Wash can't be dead! Towards the end of the movie I thought maybe everyone was gonna die and Firefly would be laid to rest. It is still rough. The deaths will not be as meaningful to non-fans but I think the movie should do very well.
The movie needed a slight polish but was very well done. My only problem (as a fan) was some of the relationships didn't seem right as far as what we have seen, especially Mal and Simon. It seemed like some of the story between the crew had taken a few steps back while a couple of others had moved on to where they were headed.
Anyways, can not wait to see it again.
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