Things that bug me about Episode III (well, just a few things)
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Grievious wasn't wounded by Shaak Ti...He was wounded by Mace, just as he was boarding his ship...The got away so fast, Mace couldn't use the Force to try and stop them, but he did manage to crush Grievious's ribcage.
Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
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Grievious wasn't wounded by Shaak Ti...He was wounded by Mace, just as he was boarding his ship...The got away so fast, Mace couldn't use the Force to try and stop them, but he did manage to crush Grievious's ribcage.
Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."
Gorram - "finally" saw the film yesterday and thought "Hooray, can finally join in this thread". This was going to be my little pearl of wisdom!
I'm pleased I watched the Clone Wars beforehand so I could pick up on little things but on the other hand, if I hadn't watched them it would have been a surprise when the wheezy robot suddenly whipped out 4 sabres and proved to be quite the match for Obi-Wan.
Agree with Slowdog's comments
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2. And for that matter... that droid knows *everything*. Works with C3PO for 20 years, says nothing. Carted around w/ Luke & Co. through their adventures, says nothing. Goes to Dagobah- does he not remember what Yoda looks like? Droid has an agenda.
3. So Mace thinks 4 jedi is enough to make sure the human Chancellor gives up his emergency powers when the war ends. What's that? He's a Sith Lord? Meh, 4 should be enough.
Ok, so they wiped C3P0's memory but R2 still knew anything PLUS that doesn't explain why Obi Wan didn't recognise them in Ep IV (unless he was just bluffing).
My brother pointed out what a badass Kitt Fisto (sp?) was in the Clone Wars yet he's despatched in seconds by Palpatine - OK, guess they were caught by surprise by how nimble the old guy was. If Mace believed Anakin and knew he was going to confront a Sith LOrd, why didn't he take more back-up?
And another quibble - as Luke was given to Owen & Beru as a baby, why didn't they pretend he was their son. Surely that would have been a better cover? Of course there's also the whole "what do you remember about your real Mother" issue that's referred to above. The whole point of Luke's question that he wanted to know something about HIS mother - not any of the other mother's Leia might have picked up along the way.
But that aside, enjoyed the film - felt a little sad at the start when I realised this was the last time I'd see a Star Wars film in the cinema (you know, for the first time) and a little sad at the end when it was all over (but then I met Robert Rodriguez which cheered me up, but that's a different story...).
I've actually see Hayden Christensen in the theatre but since he was playing a brat can't comment on his acting range on that basis! But must check out Shattered Glass as have heard very good things.
And needless to say, no trailer - Mr & Mrs Smith, Charlie & The Choc Factory & War of the Worlds for the record.
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I enjoyed the movie, more than I did the first two, but as far as the original trilogy goes GL was never going to top that.
As for continuity errors, most can be validated with a small explanation.
Some things like Ben saying he hasn't been called Obiwan since before you were born, thats nit picking to the extreme. He says "since oh, before you were born." Its a figure of speech, he's just expressing how long it has been. Not everything that every character says has to be literal.
Ben not recognising R2... Watch the scene, see the expressions Alec Guiness gives the droid. You can see that he knows who R2 is, but he's hiding it from Luke. The whole conversation with Luke at his home, its obvious now that he's bluffing away from his oh so certain point of view.
Leia's memories... I thought it was pretty obvious at the end of ROTS. Padme dies while Obiwan is holding Leia close by, closer than Luke. It is the first thing the baby Leia witnesses, and she cries at the same time Padme passes away. Its been imprinted on her little force sensitive mind. The same deal with Luke's feeling that there is still good in Vader, he gets that from Padme in the exact same scene.
Yoda says in ESB "Through the force things you will see... other places. The future, the past, old friends long gone."
Anakins fall.. this has been building up since EP2, you just have to look. I'm glad GL didn't force it down our throats anymore than he did, there was already plenty there. You have to realise that Palpatine has been manipulating this guy for over ten years, he's been acting as a father figure and building Anakins hopes up so high that he couldn't possibly acheive them. While Obiwan is lecturing Anakin yet again about who knows what, Palpatine is there supporting him and gaining even more trust.
In episode 3 it is revealed that Anakin has confided in Palpatine the events surrounding the death of his mother and the tusken slaughter. The only other person that he has told is Padme, thats got to show how much he must trust this guy.
Everything is there, you just have to look and bridge a few gaps yourself.
Now, I'm not saying it was a perfect movie, there are many things I'd change about the pacing, dialogue etc... The overall story is there, but the execution is somewhat lacking.
Aside from the usual dodgy dialogue, acting, CG, etc, I had two major problems with the film. The first being Padme's losing the will to live. Thats extremely selfish of her considering she is about to give birth to children that she should be protecting. I mean WTF!! Much rather her die at the hands of Anakin, or from some sort of complications of his actions.
Secondly, Padme's character was completely different from the headstrong senator in the second film. She'sturning into this sniveling woman for Anakin to brood over, thats it. I'd imagine this is due to cutting her entire role with the rebellion in the senate.
For me this film has sort of redeemed the prequels and bridged the story together nicely. I wasn't expecting anything much at all, and came out of the cinema satified.
Star Wars is Star Wars, its always going to be corny.
Lucas has always been a great behind the scenes man... He has some excellent stories, and has an awesome talent at visual storytelling. Unfortunately, Star Wars has always been at its best when others are allowed to play with it.
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First of all, pretty battle sequence in the beginning, but WHY must we always start the new movies as if we're in the middle? I mean, where did Grevious come from? (And we've sunk to a new low: an asthmatic robot??)
The 'Clone Wars' animated series is actually official filler for this. Grievous appears as the 'face' of the Separatist Army while Dooku is its political agenda.
Also, Grievous breathes labouriously because when he takes Palpatine from Coruscant, he is wounded by Shaak Ti pretty badly.
Okay, that's good to know. However, I don't want to have to delve into the myriad books, novelizations, comics, animated series, video games, etc. etc. etc. to understand the final movie. That's what caused me to shy away from the most recent Star Trek films, because there is so much crossover that it becomes mind-boggling and near-incomprehensible to keep track of everything. I want to just be able to go in and see the third movie, which followed the second, without having to do intense research.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the hundreds of novels/comics out there but would certainly give the Clone Wars a look - plus you can watch them all for free (albeit on a teeny, but beautifully clear screen) at www.starwars.com/clonewars (or something like that).
I agree with Majorclod about Padme's change in character. I have to admit I cry at pretty much every film these days and expected to be sniffling away come her death scene - but nope. Bit of an anti-climax though.
Still not convinced with the Leia explanation. "She died when I was very young" - well yeah, that's the understatement of the century! You can argue that she felt her presence through the Force but that's not the way I interpret that scene in ROTJ.
As for the droids, I didn't see any need for them to be in the prequels at all, let alone have Anakin build 3PO. I was quite upset (more upset than at Padme's death actually) when R4's head got blown off at the beginning of Ep 111 - imagine how moving that could have been if he'd been their full-time companion throughout the prequels!
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Was Grievous a droid? He had organic eyes and a heart and various other organic parts, I figured he was just someone who had been severely wounded and, like Vader, became more machine than man. The difference being that he was rebuilt by people who were experts at building battle droids, not prosthetics.
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Since I am surrounded by people who deal in theories I’ve heard some say that Padme didn’t lose the will to live, that was just what the droids came up with. According to them the real truth is that the Emperor was reaching out through the force to snuff the life out of her.
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Also, Grievous breathes labouriously because when he takes Palpatine from Coruscant, he is wounded by Shaak Ti pretty badly.
Okay, but WHY does an android BREATHE in the first place?
ETA: Chris posted his thoughts on this while I was typing. Still not sure it makes a whole lot of sense.
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Surely he's a Cyborg not an android...?
I'd assumed he was just a robot until they did that close up on his eyes! And then of course the heart gave it away...
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Grievous is a cyborg, he's 5% his original species (I forget what that is offhand..Jeela or something) and 95% mechanical parts (Remember, Obi-Wan shoots him in his very-much alive organs). His organic body was salvaged off a battlefield by the Trade Federation and enhanced with all his toys.
IKIYO.
DRE
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Ok, actually we've (meaning me and my friends) have long talked about why Luke was on Tatoine and of course why Obi Wan was as well. It has always been my assumption that Luke was stronger than Leia in the force. Therefore he would have stood out more. I'e... They would have felt him from across the Galaxy. By putting ObiWan there, they made sure that, and this is just my opinion, Vader wouldn't come looking. I mean he has already had his but handed to him by ObiWan. He knows where his master was, and I don't think he wants to fight him again.
Second, we wondered if Vader might have lost a bunch of his power, when he lost most of his organic body. Now that he is mostly Cyborg, and burnt to the crisp cyborg at that, we wondered if he just didn't have the same amount of power.
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