Things that bug me about Episode III (well, just a few things)

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UPDATED: Sunday, May 29, 2005 07:01
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MANWITHPEZ

Monday, May 23, 2005 3:58 PM

I completely disagree about Yoda. I don't recall seeing him get angry once in the film. When he was throwing down with Palpatine, I got the idea of "This has to be done", and even a little desperation when he failed to do it. That fight was editted fairly badly though. When they would cut away to Anakin and Obi-Wan and then back again, it looked like we were missing things from both fights.

In watching the film again,(Don't ask) it seemed that Mace and Palpatine's duel came off lame. It looks like they are trying extra careful not to hit each other. I didn't get that feeling with Anakin and Ben. They were going balls out, and it shows...Which makes the end of that duel all the more disappointing. I will say that I did like Ben warning Anakin at the end to not try. And Anakin doing it anyways. But, the follow up line of Anakin's "I HATE YOU"...Surely this character doesn't need to keep spewing dialogue from Episdoe 2. It is so childish, and childish is not one of the things I think Anakin is...It doesn't fit with him being a hardened soldier, and a General in the Clone Wars. I didn't mind the dialogue in the council induction scene except for "It's not fair." I think Mace should have risen, and calmly bitchslapped him and said "Oh, did I break your concentration?"

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

RABIT

Monday, May 23, 2005 4:52 PM

While, in general, I was also disappointed with the movie, it was "entertaining". That's all.

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Originally posted by nakedandarticulate:
Think of these great lines: 'the incredibles'- "I'm not strong enough to loose you again", in iron giant- "you don't have to be a gun, you
choose", in x2- "...because we shouldn't have to" or " you are a god among insects, and don't let anyone.. blah, blah". All great movie conjure up emotion thru a combination of great lines and great action. The action in sith was good,
not great, but there were no great line in the whole movie, at all. What was the most memorable line?

"This is how Liberty dies - with thunderous applause."

Rabit

CTPARKER333

Monday, May 23, 2005 5:08 PM

Let me start off by saying that it's been a long time since I've seeen the original movies, and I've never read the books, so I'm working from memory (which is dangerous in any occation):

As to Leia memeries about her mother, is it possible that she is refering to Organa's wife (her adoptive mother) and not Padme?

As for Luke being taken to Tatooine, I agree that that was a stupid move, especially since Luke kept the family name of Skywalker. Maybe there were other members of the Skywalker family in the area, but you would think they would take a bit more care when hiding Luke Skywalker on Anikin Skywalker's own home planet.

REAVERMADNESS

Monday, May 23, 2005 5:16 PM

Here's a couple of things I thought... and you can figure out what that's worth for yourself.

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I gueess this is a kind of spoiler... The crappy CGI. I hear people saying wow that was great but... it wasn't. No don't get me wrong. Some was cool. I like the lizard mount Obi had. And the robots for the most part was good... but why the CG on some of the "people" who were just standing around. And it was the worst CG. Some of the storme troopers and such. Heck I mean it would have been fine without those "people" in the shot. But then to put them in soooo poorly! And at the end when Vader is standing there looking at the Death Star and the do a really really bad CG job on the guy (admiral or captin somethingaruther) that we saw in Ep4. (Let's not forget the awful "head jobs" they did on the clones when you had a group of them together without their helmets on. Lucus: why oh why have you turned to the cheap side of the force?

As far as good lines from the movie:
"That's how democracy ends... with thunderous applause."... or something like that.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not screaming and yelling like everyone else in the car he was driving.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, May 23, 2005 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by manwithpez:
I didn't mind the dialogue in the council induction scene except for "It's not fair." I think Mace should have risen, and calmly bitchslapped him and said "Oh, did I break your concentration?"

Really, I thought he was correct there. It wasn’t fair and it wasn’t right, as he says, “How can you be on the council and not be a master?” and the answer came as, “We don’t really want you on the council but we need a spy.”

Doesn’t seem fair to me, further everything we are told about the appointment seems to go against the way of the Jedi. Compromising a system of rules that was carefully refined over a thousand generations as part of a plot to get an unreliable spy in place when he was already in place?

Saying he was on the council and not ready to be a master was saying he was a pawn, that isn’t fair. The explanation given afterwards just confirms that in addition to being unfair it is dishonest and perhaps a bit unjust.

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It always seemed to me that putting Luke with family and giving him the family name was really part of a larger plan by Yoda and Obi, the only thing that has changed in that line of thinking with III is now it seems that it was just Yoda.

They were manipulating Luke in the original trilogy, pushing him towards a confrontation with Vader.

The family name made it so even if Obi were to die or be shut out that confrontation would occur. Of course if that is the case it was only a backup plan, reason being that Yoda did not want Luke to know.

Vader had no reason to look for his kid, his wife was made to look pregnant in the funerary procession, and I don’t think he ever wanted to return to his home.

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Of course I get funny looks for this theory, most people Just think Luke was a decoy so that Vader wouldn’t find Leia.

It is a simple enough idea, if Vader finds out the baby was born (easy enough if he became suspicious) he looks and quickly finds Luke. He doesn’t know there was more than one child so he leaves it at that.

If the guy had said, “My wife and I have talked about adopting a baby boy,” it would be Leia Skywalker on the farm as a decoy.

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Did anyone else get annoyed at Yoda talking normally? If he said all of his sentences in Yoda-English I think the way he spoke would stick out less and flow more. Instead he would say one sentence in normal English and the next in his reverse style.

It was jarring for me.

It’s pretty hard to jar me too, when Milton says, “Him who disobeys Me disobeys,” it doesn’t phase me, but having someone change their entire speech pattern from one sentence to the next is too much of a headache.

KINGPAUSE

Monday, May 23, 2005 5:58 PM

Regarding the Death Star question - I don't remember for sure, but I don't think there was anything in "Jedi" that said that construction for the second Death Star started after the first one was destroyed. The crawl says something like, "Little did the Rebels know that construction had begun on a new Death Star", I think, i.e. it doesn't say WHEN construction began. I always assumed that construction began as soon as the first one was COMPLETED, not destroyed.

As for the how-does-Leia-remember-Padme thing, hey, if enough people get talking about this, be prepared to see a supposedly-"deleted scene" on the DVD (actually an all-new scene filmed especially for the DVD, but posing as something that was "intended to be part of the movie all along", but cut either by the studio (so it's the studio's fault) or for "pacing issues" (so it's the audience's fault)) to explain it somehow - either Padme slips some hologram thing to Bail Organa with instructions to pass it on to Leia, or Leia is shown to have some super Jedi baby memory or something (a trait passed on by mitichlorians - aargh, don't get me started).

Rant end.

SLOWDOG

Monday, May 23, 2005 6:08 PM

Spoiler nation.

1. "Hey, 3PO, Master Anakin just went postal at the Temple!" Yeah, thanks for the heads up, R2.

2. And for that matter... that droid knows *everything*. Works with C3PO for 20 years, says nothing. Carted around w/ Luke & Co. through their adventures, says nothing. Goes to Dagobah- does he not remember what Yoda looks like? Droid has an agenda.

3. So Mace thinks 4 jedi is enough to make sure the human Chancellor gives up his emergency powers when the war ends. What's that? He's a Sith Lord? Meh, 4 should be enough.

4. Yeah, you know that Chosen One kid? The whiny one who thinks we've been treating him crappily for 10 years? And has apparently been hanging out with a Sith Lord the whole time? Yeah, let's just... tell him to go chill out somewhere. No need to tell anyone else and the shuttle's waiting.

5. I thought Vader hunted down the Jedi. Looks like the clones did all the heavy lifting and somebody took all the credit.

6. Re: Luke hiding (using Anakin's last name, living with Anakin's stepbrother, on Anakin's homeworld), I blame the Republic/Imperial bureacracy. This is the same crew that took 20 years to build a Death Star and had an accounting system that allowed someone to sneak a CLONE ARMY in with the toner invoices. And yet they got new uniforms at the drop of a hat.

7. The three epic battles were so much CGI fluff. There was no flow to the battles, nobody really "won" and they weren't really important to the story except as window dressing.

8. I am willing to believe that Leia was referring to her adopted mother (assuming she didn't yet realize she was adopted). But yeah.

9. Music video editing. Made it hard to focus on just what was going on and they kept hopping all over the place.

10. I read elsewhere someone's analysis of why Anakin turns and it makes perfect sense. All the evidence is there in the movies. But somehow Lucas just didn't make it that clear; it still felt like Anakin rolled over.

11. C3PO had his memory wiped and R2 lost most of his gadgets because....?

It was probably the best of the new trilogy, but that's like talking about Badger's nicest suit... There were some things that did work for me.

1. Most of the Anakin/Palpatine scenes. Probably didn't hurt that Palpatine had most of the lines.

2. The symetry of Palpatine watching Anakin/Dooku compared to Luke/Vader.

3. Obi-Wan stopping to pick up Anakin's lightsabre (to be given to Luke).

4. Most of the sequence on Mustapha (sp?). Anakin "taking care" of the Separatists and the fight with Obi-Wan were good. The confrontation on the landing pad... meh.

5. Vader on the operating table, and thinking as the helmet came down that that was the last thing he would see with his own eyes for some time.

6. The Emperor telling Vader that he had killed Padme with his anger, which was true... from a certain point of view.

2BY2

Monday, May 23, 2005 6:20 PM

This is another thing that's been added to the prequels for no other reason than to annoy me while watching the original trilogy: Yoda tells Obi-Wan that he has training for him, that he will train while in exile and be able to commune with Qui-Gon and turn into, for lack of a better term, a blue ghostie. Now, a big hullaballo was kicked up when Lucas decided to add Hayden Christensen in the DVD release of Return of the Jedi, which I thought was arbitrary and obnoxious. But now, we've learned that Obi and Yoda had to train to become blue ghosties and 'live on eternally,' (not an exact quote, but another quibble since, isn't that what the SITH were looking to achieve??) he shouldn't be there standing next to Yoda and Obi-Wan AT ALL... *sigh* As has been said before, entertaining movie, but that's not gonna stop me from nitpicking something that shouldn't have happened from a writing standpoint. As it is though, EPIII is the only prequel I'll bother buying on DVD. Okay, rant over.

NXOJKT

Monday, May 23, 2005 6:21 PM

I've gotta go with CHRISTHECYNIC here...

Luke was left with his family without concern for two reasons

1) The emperor was made to think that Padme had died before giving birth.

2) It was assumed by the jedi that Anakin died. Why would they need to hide him from Anakin if he burned to death following his duel with Anakin. By the time the knowledge came about that Vader had survived, Yoda was exiled on Dagobah and could not risk surfacing to move Luke. Afterall, with the combination of Anakin thinking Padme had died before giving birth and Obi-Wan watching Luke, there's no real reason to fear. Tatooine was a remote planet, and other than a few of Luke's friends, like Bigss, it is unlikely anyone knew that the young boy on the Lars farm was a "Skywalker."

It's also unlikely that anyone not closely related to the events of Ep III would know that Anakin was Darth Vader, and would likely have thought Anakin Skywalker was killed in the Jedi purge, as Obi-Wan told Luke. Only Yoda, Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Anakin, and Bail Organa would have known that Anakin was Vader. Yoda and Obi-Wan chose not to tell Luke, and Bail Organa died either prior to Ep IV or when Alderan was destroyed, either of which was before Leia met Luke. Of course, Organa would not have told Leia anything about her father or brother anyway.

There are problems with the film, as there are with all 6. But most continuity things have fairly easy explanations... it's whether or not you want to accept those explanations. Either way, it causes conversation about the movie, which is likely what one-time experimental film maker George Lucas would probably like.

RHYMEPHILE

Monday, May 23, 2005 6:26 PM

There was so much to disappoint in this episode, which was unfortunate. My musings are mainly nit-picky.

First of all, pretty battle sequence in the beginning, but WHY must we always start the new movies as if we're in the middle? I mean, where did Grevious come from? (And we've sunk to a new low: an asthmatic robot??) Why was Palpatine being held on the ship? Yeah, I saw the scroll at the start, "War!", which we knew was coming, but why can't we have a movie that will SHOW us rather than TELL us what has been happening?

I agree with the demise of Dooku. Too quick, and we get the throw-off line from Anakin, something to the effect of, "I'm much stronger than you, now," to explain the easy way in which he defeats him.

Am I the only one to take exception to the fact that many of the fights in the new movies are 2 on 1? It seems unfair; I think back to The Rules of Highlander which state that no two Immortals can take on another. I mean, jeez.

I wish Lucas would have given his actors some direction with the pronunciation of Padme's name. There's an accent over the "e", which means her name is Pad-may, not Pad-mee.

It's too bad that the moments of the film that were supposed to be the most heart-wrenching and tender were the most laughable because of the dialogue. Just about every exchange between Anakin and Padme had the audience snickering.

Lucas could have excised an hour of film at the start (cut the entire battle sequence; cut Grevious entirely; cut the long, expensive-looking lizard-riding; cut the WHOLE DAMN WOOKIEE PLANET, because, pointless; among other things) and given us more on the fall of Anakin. I agree his turn was way too quick.

Again, both Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman were weak in their performances. Christensen just did not have the depth to maintain that role; a few moments spent glowering does not make an "evil" performance.

I could go on, but there were a few moments I enjoyed.

1. I do admit the reveal of Grevious's four arms was pretty cool. But Obi-Wan defeated him way too easily.

2. Watching the destruction of the Jedi after the "Order 66" was given kind of upset me. It wasn't that it was emotionally touching in the film -- it made me think about Star Wars that much more and the Rebel Alliance's and Jedi's struggle.

3. The best moment of the film by far was the scene when Anakin heads to the Jedi Temple to destroy the Younglings. When the little kid asks, "What do we do, Master Skywalker? There are too many of them," and Anakin lights his Lightsaber -- watch the little boy back up in surprise, a frightened look on his face. That's a great moment that should have been played up more to show how truly evil Anakin had become.

4. Props for the usage of James Earl Jones. That was definitely cool. But the "Noooooooooo!" was so lame the audience was hysterical.

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