Thoughts on EPISODE III SPOILERS

POSTED BY: Static
UPDATED: Monday, June 20, 2005 07:52
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STATIC

Friday, May 20, 2005 6:19 PM

Well. . .

I wasn't dissapointed.

In fact, because of Eps 1 and 2, I had set my expectations a little lower than I normally would have.

CGI Yoda is a great idea, simply because otherwise, we couldn't see what a true Jedi Master he is. I think if he'd not been meant to be anything more than the aged teacher like in JEDI, Lucas might've sticked to puppets.

THANK GOD Jar-Jar didn't speak.

Christiansen is getting better. He'll do much better in his career I think.

I liked the vaguely "Godfather-esque" feel to the ambush/slaughter of the Jedi. If it were me, I'd have gone ahead with a full tribute to Coppola and had the ambush scenes take place, mixed with Palpatine's speech to the Senate.

I'm sorry. . .the whole "Darth Frankenstein" scene SUCKED. I mean really. Come on. I can't imagine James Earl Jones was able to keep a straight face.

It was nice to see Peter Mayhew working again.

THATWEIRDGIRL

Friday, May 20, 2005 6:21 PM

yeah, code 66 is gonna take on an interesting meaning in the workplace.

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MANWITHPEZ

Friday, May 20, 2005 6:49 PM

Darth Vader: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

I tried...I desperately tried to keep a straight face, but nothing doing. I laughed out loud, and I wasn't the only one...otherwise, I liked that scene just fine. I was a little disheartened that I didn't get more Vader in the suit.

A buddy I saw the movie with said that he didn't understand why the Emperor was being so caring to Vader towards the end of the movie. I said, were you not paying attention in the opera scene? Palpatine as much as admitted that he was Anakin's father! That means all the Sith apprentices were only leading up to Anakin's eventual fall. That aspect of the film is something I like much better than "He was conceieved by midichlorians."

I actually am waiting for a DVD so I can see the lightsabre duels a little better...The duel in Episode one was very visible...Not so much with the other two movies...Until I saw Episode 2 on DVD.

I was a little disheartened by how Mace went out. If they were going to link this movie so closely to The Clone Wars, then I don't think he should have been so easy to kill...same with Grievious.

For the love of God: "If I'm so beautiful, its because I love you" "No, you're beautiful because I love you" WTF!!! I know that's not the exact quote, but...

I would have liked for Anakin's turning to the Dark Side to have been a little more gradual...for him to have felt a little remorse for the things he was doing...That he embraced so fully, so quickly bothered me. I mean, we all know he's going to turn, but...come on...And, I thought the would have a bigger role in the destruction of the Jedi besides killing a bunch of kids...I mean, yeah, its evil, but somehow I refuse to believe that Clone Troopers took out ALL the jedi save two.

I also would have liked for Obi Wan's victory over Anakin to have been a little more clear cut. One of the guys I saw the movie with said NO WAY! But, I don't think its too much to ask, considering that Obi Wan taught Anakin everything he knows.

I know I've brought up a lot of negatives, but I did like the movie. I'll rank it number three, actually, of all six. Nothing, and I mean nothing beats The Empire Strikes Back.

Except The Clone Wars!

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

MANWITHPEZ

Friday, May 20, 2005 8:21 PM

One other thought, but is Luke the one the Jedi prophecies speak of, or did Anakin actually bring balance to the Force...If it was Anakin, then I'm not sure that the prophecy was correct. What did he do, besides help with a little of the killing...The Clone Troopers did all the real dirty work...

Oh, and I didn't weigh in on how I liked the movie...I will rank it number three of 6...That's pretty high, actually...Over episodes 1 and 2, and Return of the Jedi...

Kaylee: "What's so damn important about being proper? It don't mean nothing out here in the black."
Simon: "It means more out here. It's all I have..."

CHANNAIN

Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 PM

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Originally posted by Static:
I'm sorry. . .the whole "Darth Frankenstein" scene SUCKED. I mean really. Come on. I can't imagine James Earl Jones was able to keep a straight face.

It was nice to see Peter Mayhew working again.

Thank you! God! I couldn't believe that. When he's rising up on the table I wanted to say "It's ALIIIIIIIVE!" but as I was sitting between two voracious "sweeks" I kept mum.

Although, the moment the mask and helmet congealed and we heard Darth Vader's first breath, you canNOT tell me that didn't send a shiver someplace.

The scene where Yoda climbs on to Chewie's back got a lot of applause.

George Lucas really needs to stop writing romantic dialogue. I don't know how he got so lucky with the Han and Leia exchange in "Empire," but that's his sole claim to fame. The more I heard from Anakin and Padame, the more I sank down in my seat and finally covered my eyes and groaned. He just has to stop.

Was it just me, or was Obi-wan's show of anguish over what happened to Anakin just a little, I dunno, reserved? He just practically all but murdered a young man whom he considered a brother, then abandoned him to die on a volcanic embankment.

Frankly, I believe Lucas gave up too much of the true storytelling in favor of the special effects.

The music was AWESOME!

Will I see it again? More than likely, but not for full price.

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SICKDUDE

Friday, May 20, 2005 9:47 PM

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Originally posted by Static:
Christiansen is getting better. He'll do much better in his career I think.

Christiansen did a great job acting in "My Life as a House". He had/has the ability. My wife and I are convinced it is Lucas himself who fosters bad acting out of the actors he gets. Heck, maybe even Jake Lloyd isn't that bad.... Okay, maybe not.

Manwithpez, I feel the prophecy is about Anakin. He certainly has a huge part in killing the Jedi. But he also kills the Sith (and then dies himself). At the end, Luke didn't really kill anyone; he only acted as a catalyst to remind dad.

Agree with most of the comments, but gotta say I liked it!

"Don't say 'ka' until you've tried it." Daniel Jackson

MONTANAGIRL

Friday, May 20, 2005 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by Sickdude:
Christiansen did a great job acting in "My Life as a House". He had/has the ability. My wife and I are convinced it is Lucas himself who fosters bad acting out of the actors he gets. Heck, maybe even Jake Lloyd isn't that bad.... Okay, maybe not.

Also, if you get the chance, check out "Shattered Glass." Christiansen plays Stephen Glass, who pulled a Jayson Blair for the New Republic. The guy can act. I blame Lucas for all the woodenness in Eps II and III.

I really was disappointed by Episode III. I had hopes from all the good reviews that it would actually be, oh I don't know, GOOD. It wasn't bad like the first two, but it still wasn't a good movie. (I almost fell asleep three times and kept myself amused by making Monty Python references throughout the movie.) The four friends I went with who are all Star Wars fans felt the same way.

I agree with almost all of Pez's assessments. To flatly contradict stuff that had been said in Empire and Jedi? Did he think people wouldn't notice? And Anakin's descent needed to be slower, more subtle. When I found out the reason he went to the dark side I was incredibly disappointed. That was it? And he switched sides almost at the drop of a hat. It didn't have any substance to it.

When Anankin went to the Jedi temple to kill the "younglings", was I the only one who got a flash from the trailer? "I don't murder children." "I do."

The thought I was left with after the last shot was, "It took them twenty years to build the Death Star?! Hire a different contractor!"

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AURAPTOR

Friday, May 20, 2005 10:27 PM

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Frankly, I believe Lucas gave up too much of the true storytelling in favor of the special effects.

I think we should have seen THAT coming way back w/ the remastered

versions of the original 3 movies. They were near enough perfect just the way they were.

I'll wait a bit before I catch this S.W.

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AERADIA

Friday, May 20, 2005 10:52 PM

VERY LONG – Sorry!

STATIC… I wasn’t disappointed either; was actually pleasantly surprised. After 1 and 2 I loathed Lucas, but then after 3- I get it now.

I agree about the CGI Yoda, but still wish we could’ve seen animatronics for close ups.

I hated the Vader / Frankenstein scene too, but agree with CHANNAIN about the mask and the breath thing. Shivers!!! It would’ve seemed so much more powerful to have Anakin’s anguish seen only through the destruction of the room with a slightly altered Imperial March creating the crescendo of sound.

MANWITHPEZ – Love the Palpatine is father idea, and I’d love to see the Obi Wan / Grievous fight a little more slowly too- I still don’t see how someone without an elastic body was dodging four light sabers.

Loved Obi Wan's fight scenes, but honestly, I never really got this feeling that Anakin was a big bad-a*& light saber artiste. I’d bet on Yoda of Revenge over Anakin.

Now for the love scene stuff… I have to say I get it and I see exactly why what Lucas wrote and put on the screen was exactly right. Anakin grew up a slave who owned nothing. Then he was taken from his mother and eventually she was taken away from him. If you look at his relationship with Padme you see that he was still a little boy who desperately wanted someone of his own that no one could take away from him. Look at his continual desire to say screw the Jedi, screw the Senate, let’s tell everyone. And of course he picks Padme, this bright and shiny and beautiful young woman as his own, like a toddler picking the biggest, shiniest toy.

But it’s not even really about Padme. Lucas wrote it himself- the one thing that Lord Whatever the Wise was afraid of was that someone would take his power. Anakin wanted enough power that no one could ever take anything from him again. He wanted, as he told Padme, to make the world as they wanted it. To make the world as he wanted it to be.

In the first two, I had a hard time believing that Anakin (as Hayden /Jake were playing him) could ever turn into the Darth we know and love. But after three, in particular the scene in the lava flow, I totally buy it. Here’s this little boy with this major hole to fill, who has never been truly and unconditionally acknowledged by anyone- except Palpatine. He’s born chattel; his mom lets the Jedi take him; while he’s off missing mom and training hard, she’s off marrying and raising some guy’s kids; his lover won’t publicly acknowledge him; the Jedi tell him he’s THE ONE, but not yet; he takes what he finds out about Palpatine to Mace who tells him he still doesn’t trust him and when he finds Mace standing over Palpatine, he watches Mace try to break the very code that Anakin would be sanctioned for breaking if the Jedi knew; he’s continually trying to prove himself but it’s never good enough for anyone- except Palpatine. Who BTW also happens to know how to save the bright, shiny toy and doesn’t condemn him for ratting him out to Mace. Aha! Here’s total acceptance, love despite my sins, and all he asks for is my loyalty in return. Palpatine probably seemed to go o be true to Anakin. Especially after Obi Wan let him burn, while Palpatine saved his butt.

I think it’s interesting that Lucas has Anakin off the younglings- wasn’t he once the lost little boy asking for help? Didn’t the very people he asked for help, in his mind, betray him? I don’t think Anakin’s killing the younglings as much as he’s killing the little boy in himself. After that, we see him pretty much embrace that numbness and freedom from fear that anger can bring. And when the bright and shiny turns against him too, he can’t blame himself- it would mean he was wrong to do all he had done. Padme says it’s his fault and he starts to hear it, but then he sees the ultimate scapegoat- the man who should have been Dad, his mentor Obi Wan. Now suddenly both Dad and Padme have turned against him- together! It's super paranoid and a bit psychotic, but it has a ring of truth.

As to Obi Wan’s victory over Anakin, I think it was pretty clear. Obi Wan has not one scr

EMBERS

Friday, May 20, 2005 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by Channain:

George Lucas really needs to stop writing romantic dialogue. I don't know how he got so lucky with the Han and Leia exchange in "Empire," but that's his sole claim to fame. The more I heard from Anakin and Padame, the more I sank down in my seat and finally covered my eyes and groaned. He just has to stop.

George Lucas didn't write that good dialogue
it was written by Lawrence Kasden
(and it really annoys me that people don't know that! LOL)
No, if Lucas had written the first three movies all by himself then they never would have been a hit in the first place.
JMPO of course... you can stone me if you like.

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